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  1. I used the injector deadtimes calculated the the excel sheet posted initially and these for slopes There was very little difference between these and the ones calculated in the spreadsheet. These are slightly richer in the high slope, which looks better on my scatterplot.
  2. Got a chance to datalog the drive home today. capa slopes and breakpoint do look pretty good in the high slopes, the scatterplot shows a bit rich in the low slope(circle is approximately breakpoint). although it gets even richer lower down, so I think the injector deadtimes are still too long. However, it drives great, so i'm not super keen to change it too much. So, @KyleBruh i would say if you use the capa slopes and deadtimes in the excel sheet, you should be good. If it's still rich at idle and lean under power, then something else must be wrong.... counterfeit bosch green injectors? As I understand it, a lot of idle control is done with spark as it reacts fast, so maybe check spark source at idle. maybe air leak after throttle.
  3. Hi, Since it's gone unanswered for a while Roland says in that thread that permanent ghost cam can be achieved with professional on a sy territory. Hope that helps regards,
  4. Ignore the plots above, I just realised I didn't change the injector dead times. so that might be a big part of the problem.... try again tomorrow.
  5. It happens that I just had my 42lb bosch green injectors installed today. so i've just tested the data that i gave you from the calculation from the bosch data. I've only done a very short drive, but I just made a scatter plot as described above of Fuel flow(lb) vs Pulse width vs LTFT with the result below. So..... If i'm interpreting correctly, that's pretty clearly rich in the low slope, then heading lean in the high slope. I just tried the Capa tune hi-slope,low slope and break points and went for a drive, felt better, but the scatter plot looked like. which is a bit better, but not good. so time to start making some adjustments..... and install my wideband which has been sitting on the bench over a year now.
  6. Hi, this is the injector values in the capa tune for bosch green 42lb injectors. They dont change any of the deadtime vs voltage on the capa tune and i wonder if that is the difference. Anyway, these value should get you close. If it's still lean under load, then how much boost? what fuel pump? what fuel pressure? Hope it helps
  7. Hi Andy8, I got professional, and id recommend the same for you. You get more credits for the 2nd car so not really much more anyway and professional means you can create stock tunes from catch codes, so you can make a stock F6X tunes and do the comparison. Ive also learnt alot from looking at stock xr6 sprint, and F6. I have done F6X compare and made all the same changes to my turbo territory. I also copied over some gearbox changes. The improvements are incredible, I dont know that the gearbox changes are so important, but with professional you have the option. Ive since had a few other forum member share their tunes which is incredible for learning, but seeing what is different in the FPV tunes is an easy way to get a big improvement without removing any of the factory fail safes. The tuning capability of pcmtec on the turbo barra is incredible. My other car is a windsor 5.0 powered capri which im tuning with a j3 chip and a few mods, but dispite double the weight, the territory might be quicker once i fit the bigger injectors and fuel pump. It is a fun family bus! Enjoy.
  8. Hey Daniel, If the bf mk1 is a toy for playing with, then i'd go with your initial plan of stock turbo setup, 7psi wastegate spring, wideband O2 sensor, stock xr6t tune on your na pcm and start playing(ie road tuning). You can datalog the stock knock sensors if you are road tuning without knock ears, but they might miss minor knocks or might retard due to false knock, but its a starting point. If you blow gearbox or engine then its not a huge expense, but the toy is off the road for while.
  9. I think it is a great way to learn I started with territcompared with FPV f6 and aftermarket 10psi capa generic tune. I since stufied a few different tunes. The compare feature on PCMtec is invaluable for insights into the changes made. If you get the professional level software(which is what i got), then you can generate stock tunes from model catch codes to compare changes from stock and look a different factory tunes like F6 or fg xr6 sprint etc.
  10. Funny that you quoted my post to say "the whole scene" is riddled with impossible steep learning curves and rocket science level equipment. I only bought a territory turbo 6 months ago and only started learning pcmtec since then- with an incredible amount of help from the people on this forum and especially @Roland@pcmtec. I think it is important that people know that there is a risk when tuning yourself without "years of experience a dyno and space x budgets". There's plenty of risk taken by some dyno tuners too - turning off lots of the factory protection features because they dont think its needed. I am loving playing with my own tune and im ok with swapping in a NA long motor if i push too far and blow my turbo motor. Anyway, i dont think anyone was trying to discourage- just hopefully make sure he knows what he's in for, before he is lot of money in and potentially struggling to get the result he wanted. I would say no it doesnt, a flapper mod isnt needed at 7psi as the waste can flow enough at that power and boost level. The factory turbo boost table also ramps boost down close to redline to protect the transmission on full power wide open throttle shifts. With a NA trans and only wastegate boost control at 7psi... it should last, depending on how you drive it. Yes 7psi should be fine on a stock na motor and yes some people run 10psi and its fine.... until it isnt. Yep, as long as you tune it at all altitudes and all ambient temperatures and all fuel variations. Factory knock detection is also helpful in limiting damage, but not infallible. Im all for enthusiast tuning and this software is awesome for that, but there is a learning curve and there is some risk(mostly financial) and everyone tolerance of risk is different. No, not hard - all of those except wideband is monitored already in the pcmtec datalogger! Wideband needs to be added and most would recommend knock ears to be sure the factory knock sensor is not missing anything. I think @Puffwagon actually said, start from a stock bf xr6t tune and pull 4 degrees timing(for higher compression motor)then tune from there. Which is a very accessible and sensible starting point. Anyway, like i said - im still learning and still having fun doing so and im sure plenty of other enthusiasts are too.
  11. Hi Daniel, in my opinion, one of the limitation in tuning your NA+T with a stock xr6t tune is that the na PCM cant control boost. This means you can only boost by wastegate pressure. With a 7psi spring, you will have more boost and torque in some areas where it might be more likely to detonate or bend rods(especially with the higher compression NA motor) I think the boost control in the PCM is fantastic and it is used in the factory calibration to limit boost and torque in situations that might cause damage. Eg: - Intercooler heat soak- more likely detonation -Before WOT shifts to reduce load on transmission. You can compensate with more retarded timing, other torque reductions on shifts, but you might find the situation where you couldnt compensate enough and damage something. If i was doing an NA+T build, i would still want a turbo PCM, engine harness and boost solenoid, but it adds more dollars. Then, I think you could use the stock 5psi spring, stock fuel pump(or walbro 255lph), stock xr6t tune and just retard timing a few degrees to allow for higher compression motor. But that will probably only get you about ~200rwkw or less.... then you start adding boost and timing in areas that will let your transmission survive and listen for detonation. If that sounds like fun... Do it! If not, take it to a tuner. So far.... i find it fun(probaby 'cause i havent blown my motor and transmission....yet)
  12. Hi Kyle, I haven't actually fitted my 42lb injectors yet, so i don't know how accurate this scaling is. I've just used the official bosch data you have already above and used excel to calc for base pressure. I do see it is different(leaner) compared with CAPA data for the 42lb injectors, but that might be a mail order tune fudge factor. obviously once installed you can drive it off boost and watch you fuel trims to get an idea of how accurate.... or even better install wideband and use real data to adjust in real time. Anyway, Excel sheet attached. Hopefully people with more experience will chime in if i've made stupid mistakes. regards, Justin INJECTOR CALCS.xlsx
  13. Yeah, matches my experience. All AWD territory's have bosch 8.0 ABS modules, but forscan doesnt seem to be able to change the calibration.... incompatible. It also may cause problems, given the bigger brakes on the F6x, the abs may not function as designed if you could change the calibration. Hill descent is interesting 'cause it was an option on all AWD models, so all calibrations are probably capable of having it, but i dont know how it was enabled at the factory.
  14. to answer my own question. incase it's useful for anyone else. It seems the F6x had a different calibration of the ABS for bigger brakes, but it also must have a different ABS module. Using forscan, if I select F6x in the configeration, it tries to load it to the ABS, but then fails - incompatible module. so im back to my HACH4K6 config
  15. Hi all, I've been playing with a few things on my SY territory turbo ghia. I noticed that the FPV F6x strategy has a few extra parameters particularly for transmission that could be useful.... so, I tried merge to change from HACH4K6 to HACH4A4. trans strategy from 6R79 to 8R79 All seems to work.....but i have ABS and Traction error. Am i correct to assume that this is due to different ABS program? I have Forscan also, and probably can reprogram ABS, but i dont has as built data for the FPV F6x
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