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Hi All,

I'm in the process of converting my BF Falcon Wagon from a BTR Automatic to a 5 Speed Manual gearbox. The mechanical aspects are done, now for the electrical and programming elements. The car is running and can be driven, though currently is in limp mode (D is displayed on the IC where the gear selection is normally indicated). I have run DTC tests using FORSCAN on my PC which has produced the following codes - P0708, P0713, P0743, P0753, P0758, P0763, P0773, P0826, P0828, P1000, P1746. The majority of these are related to the Auto Gearbox's operation. Of these codes what would put the car into a limp mode state? I want to try and resolve what I can prior to the tech coming to update the PCM programming. 

Next question, what is the ASU-152 PCM's suitability to be updated to a manual programme? I have heard conflicting stories and want to ensure no dramas to the tech attending. If my PCM is not suited to reflash to a manual configuration I would much prefer to have the right one prior to the tech attending. Rumour says the ASU-151 PCM is suited to this process so any clarification would be great.

If anyone here has completed a manual conversion on a Falcon it would be interesting to hear what process was taken during your conversion? I have had a heap of differing input, which has led me in a multitude of directions. Ultimately I am going to write an article detailing my experiences for anyone who is contemplating this themselves. I have had some help along the way and these people will be thanked in my final write up. They know who they are anyway!!

Regards,

JT

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Hi Whiteford,

I've used your post for information already! Thanks very much for your input. I was contemplating the programming myself though Roland has advised to go with an experienced tech. I'm still toying with the idea of doing it myself lol. Call me stubborn! 

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1 minute ago, Whiteford said:

and this one...

 

The speedo is working at present too so the wagon VSS setup must be suitable.

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The question I guess you want answered directly is can you install a manual strategy into your PCM. Honestly, the only way to find out is to try. Some hardware is compatible with both Automatic and Manual Strategies, some are not. I am not aware of a “Master list” of hardware compatibility but I would definitely be keen for one!

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5 minutes ago, Whiteford said:

The question I guess you want answered directly is can you install a manual strategy into your PCM. Honestly, the only way to find out is to try. Some hardware is compatible with both Automatic and Manual Strategies, some are not. I am not aware of a “Master list” of hardware compatibility but I would definitely be keen for one!

That is ultimately my biggest question. I'm just so keen to have it on the road I don't want to have issues when the tech comes! I guess it's suck it and see!! 

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The hardware differences between auto and manual should not be an issue, just make sure you get a PCM of the same type, eg if its a turbo you must get a turbo, if its a 6cyl you must get a 6cyl etc. Then flashing in the manual version of that strategy and you should be 90% of the way there.

Someone on here took a manual F6 strategy, compared it to an auto 4 speed strategy, copied over all the various auto tables and it worked fine so you could also convert the auto strategy to a manual via that method as well, however you'd need the workshop package to make sure you dont miss any parameters.

I wouldn't even bother looking at the DTC codes until you put the right strategy in, removing the auto box will cause a huge number of them, and it may mask others as well.

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Thanks again for your input Roland, I do still struggle with the concept of not doing it all by myself ?

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Well this morning I downloaded PCMTEC and did the programming myself. Using information from members like Whiteford, doing some more research myself in regards to the wiring (I did my best in every instance to get professionals or workshop data to confirm this aspect) and looking at data from a manual strategy was able to get it all up and going. The software itself is fantastic, a real credit to the team and given my experience would highly recommend it to any educated enthusiasts or any professional in the industry. It makes an unbelievable platform so much more powerful too. So impressive! Thanks again to everyone who has contributed. I'm going to go over things and document my work if anyone decides to take this on themselves. 

Regards, 

JT

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On 6/29/2019 at 3:56 PM, SKD said:

Well this morning I downloaded PCMTEC and did the programming myself. Using information from members like Whiteford, doing some more research myself in regards to the wiring (I did my best in every instance to get professionals or workshop data to confirm this aspect) and looking at data from a manual strategy was able to get it all up and going. The software itself is fantastic, a real credit to the team and given my experience would highly recommend it to any educated enthusiasts or any professional in the industry. It makes an unbelievable platform so much more powerful too. So impressive! Thanks again to everyone who has contributed. I'm going to go over things and document my work if anyone decides to take this on themselves. 

Regards, 

JT

Hey SKD, just confirming - did you get the cruise working in manual form with the ASU152?

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I’m still bug hunting this. I believe the only way around it is re-introduction of a speed source. The BTR I understand supplied the signal where as the T5 from the vehicle I used doesn’t. I have heard the AU extension housing can be utilised and in the coming days will look further into it. 

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You can use the manual ABS module and set the speed input to be ABS via CAN. Otherwise a speed input on the back of the output shaft will do.

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