Roland@pcmtec 1,446 Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 It is becoming increasingly common for customers to convert NA Falcons to Turbo. When the entire drive train and all modules are swapped this is relatively easy, the problem occurs when customers add a turbo to an NA engine swapping the PCM only, leaving the NA ABS module. Previously the advice was to source a turbo ABS module from the same vehicle, or attempt to reprogram it with Ford IDS which is fairly tricky. Recently there have been updates to Forscan which allow editing the ABS module as built data. As such you can change a non turbo ABS module to a turbo ABS module. One customer has recently tested this on a Mk1 NA FG automatic ZF 6 speed which had a turbo PCM, TCM installed but the NA ABS module was left in the car. To reprogram the ABS module we installed Forscan with an extended functionality license (Very cheap and a great product!) and saved the NA ABS module as built data as a backup. The customer then connected to a Mk1 FG Turbo ZF 6 speed and downloaded the as built data. The turbo as built data was then uploaded to the NA conversion vehicle and voila, no more ABS fault. Please be aware if this is done wrong you may be left with a non functional ABS system. Process we followed is below: Download Forscan here: https://forscan.org/download.html Then connect to the vehicle. Select Configuration and Programming and select the ABS module. Now "Save All" the as-built data. Follow the same steps on the turbo vehicle. Now "Load All" and "Write All" the as built file from the turbo vehicle on the converted NA vehicle and restore the data. If you have any issues you can always restore your backup. If you have a manual BF or an auto Mk1 FG you can use the supplied files below AT YOUR OWN RISK. Now please ensure you test these changes in a safe environment on an engine dyno if possible. Also test your ABS still functions correctly afterwards in a safe environment. There is no guarantees with this process however it appears to work on the FG Mk1 Series of vehicles which has been tested. As built data can be downloaded below: FG Mk1 ZF6 Turbo as built FG-Mk1-XR6T-ZF6_Turbo_ABS.abt FG Mk1 ZF6 NA as built FG-Mk1-NA-ZF6_ABS.abt BF Mk2 6 Speed Manual Turbo as built BF 6 Speed Manual ABS.abt Anyone who has the following and can please read and upload your as built files from your ABS modules it would be muchly appreciated. Please note the model (eg ute, sedan, g6 etc). This will greatly assist others if you can share this information. BA Manual BA Auto Turbo BF Auto Turbo FG Mk1 Manual Turbo FG Mk2 Manual Turbo FG Mk2 Auto Turbo 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mick 0 Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 My FG Mk2 Turbo ZF ute does not list and As Built data for the ABS when read with Forscan, it would be interesting to see if any others can read it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roland@pcmtec 1,446 Posted July 16 Author Share Posted July 16 59 minutes ago, Mick said: My FG Mk2 Turbo ZF ute does not list and As Built data for the ABS when read with Forscan, it would be interesting to see if any others can read it Be worth pinging Forscan devs on this one see if its something in the works. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Superb 7 Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 I am no means an expert and happy to be corrected on anything I say. Mk2 & FGX run a different ABS unit "Bosch 9" from memory and the calibration comes from the Central Car Config. From what I understand, all modules are the same with an internal YAW sensor. Above is from a Forscan session connected to a FGX. Mk2's are the same. And below is a snippet from IDS showing the CCC data from a Mk2 F6. I have yet to install a latter module ABS unit to my Mk1 FG, so I haven't tested the init/relearn function as Ford changed the plug unfortunately. But will update this thread when I do. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Superb 7 Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 (edited) BTW 760-01-01 through to 760-01-04 is where the VIN is stored 760-02-01 is where the magic is Edited July 16 by Superb Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mick 0 Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 This is all that shows on mine Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roland@pcmtec 1,446 Posted July 17 Author Share Posted July 17 13 hours ago, Mick said: This is all that shows on mine Try an MS Can ELM327 cable, a lot of those modules are not on the high speed bus. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roland@pcmtec 1,446 Posted July 17 Author Share Posted July 17 15 hours ago, Superb said: I am no means an expert and happy to be corrected on anything I say. Mk2 & FGX run a different ABS unit "Bosch 9" from memory and the calibration comes from the Central Car Config. From what I understand, all modules are the same with an internal YAW sensor. Above is from a Forscan session connected to a FGX. Mk2's are the same. And below is a snippet from IDS showing the CCC data from a Mk2 F6. I have yet to install a latter module ABS unit to my Mk1 FG, so I haven't tested the init/relearn function as Ford changed the plug unfortunately. But will update this thread when I do. Great information. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BDAZLA 0 Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 Hmmm, very interesting topic this one. So I'm not sure if you are aware but in the FPV FG F6 MK2, The ABS module will not let you turn DSC off even though you can see as part of the tune file that you just need to hold the button for 10 seconds. This does absolutely nothing. DSC is on permanently either way and if you even try to steer away the yore sensor will also cut power. They did this to keep the 5 star ANCAP rating but it is F#$king dangerous. If you do lose control of the car, the car just cut power whether you have Traction Control on or off and straightens up the car. It doesn't know where it is straightening the car up to though and if you are sideways, you are now heading straight for the gutter, trees or wherever the car happens to be pointing. Hence, extremely dangerous. I have noticed that if you do manage to do a burn out because the throttle body cut has been turned off thru tuning that you can do this in a straight line as the yore sensor with cut power and also you are restricted to 2 gears. If you start in first gear, it will let you change to second gear and continue the burnout but as soon as you hit third gear, power is cut. If you start the burnout in second gear, you can change to third gear but then once you hit 4th gear, the power is cut. I think the power is also cut once you reach the limit of either second or third gear depending on which gear you lost traction in to start with. It makes me curious if you could put the settings of a FPV FG F6 MK1 which does allow DSC to be turned off into the MK2 and realistically make the car safer. On a side note to that, I also have an FGX XR6 Turbo and it will allow you to do a burnout in first gear only where as the FPV FG F6 MK2 will not allow you to do a burnout in first gear as it shuts the throttle body. The FGX shuts the throttle body as soon as you hit 2nd gear or you reach the end of first gears speed/capability. The yore sensor will even allow you to steer completely sideways as long as you stay in first gear but again you are unable to turn DSC off at all. Yes I realise this all sounds a bit hoon like but for me it is more about making the car safer and also has its applications on the track. On the drag strip, you need to pull out a whole heap of fuses just to do the burn out with your foot on the brake at the same time In the FPV FG MK2 F6. The fuses pulled are all to do with ABS so that DSC is not enabled which is really a pain in the arse and the dash is lit up like a Christmas tree because of all the failed modules from pulling all the fuses under the hood and in the cabin. It would be so much easier just to hold the button for traction control and DSC for 3 seconds which will turn DSC of in the FG MK1 than pulling fuses. It would also mean that if you are doing some kind of track work that you still have ABS for safety which you lose when you pull all the fuses. Thoughs??? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JETURBO 6 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 Yeh nar Mk2 onwards has Driveline protection which PCMtech has mapped, not all Strategies have it But it’s there and this is what you’re actually seeing and not limited too F6 variants Have multiple FG F6 Mk2’s and FGX customers who love 4th gear ZF action Jus sayn 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roland@pcmtec 1,446 Posted July 19 Author Share Posted July 19 Guide on how to disable it here https://forum.pcmtec.com/topic/12-howto-stall-up-your-automatic/ 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Djwalpole 0 Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 Hi i just tried doing this on my ba but can't find the abs configuration i have the latest version and the 2 month extended license thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roland@pcmtec 1,446 Posted August 3 Author Share Posted August 3 You are posting on the wrong forum. Ask Forscan. We are not affiliated with them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lukeyson 3 Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 I wonder if this is applicable to the earlier Bosch 8.0 SX Territory ABS units - in order to add Hill Descent. The wiring for hill descent was on all territories - it just needed a switch in the blanking to the lower left of the steering wheel. Time to dig out some 10 year old Data and see if I'd captured my original As-Built on the old SX. I didn't know it was called As-Built at the time, but I remember seeing it. Lukeyson Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cbertram 0 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 anyone have the as built data for mk1 fg G6E turbo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 2 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 9 hours ago, Cbertram said: anyone have the as built data for mk1 fg G6E turbo FORScan 2.4.2 Beta has the functionality to use the pcm VIN to check the Ford as-built database & download the as-built data file if it's available. It can also check the firmware of some OBDII interfaces & update the interface firmware. There has been a few problems reported & 2.4.2 version has currently been removed from the downloads area. Depending on what you were going to use 2.4.2 for, it may work fine. I believe most of the issues were around programming APIM. When it becomes available again, you will need an internet connection to check & download the as-built data. Don't forget to save your current configuration for all modules before doing any programming so you have data to revert back to should something not be right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cbertram 0 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 Yes have turbo ecu and engine swapped my na G6E to turbo so the factory one won’t help Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 2 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 2 minutes ago, Cbertram said: Yes have turbo ecu and engine swapped my na G6E to turbo so the factory one won’t help If it's a FG MK1, I think it might be able to be changed the same way as it's done in BF. I believe FG MK2 is done via central configuration but haven't had access to an FG1 or FG2 to confirm. Select the tab for - Configuration & Programming. Don't select ABS Module Configuration (As-Built)....you need to select the second option - ABS Module Configuration, if available & press the play button at the bottom left. If you have access to the car the pcm came from, there will be an ABS value on the TEAR Tag that should match one of the values below. Select the correct value and write it. If you don't have access to the TEAR Tag info on the car the pcm came from, you could try the XR6 Turbo or G Turbo options to see if one works. Start with the one that the you believe the pcm came from ie if XR6T, then use the XR6T value. The pcm will be looking for a match in calibration. I have corrected BF swaps this way without changing the as-built data. Remember, as with all programming, there are risks. Don't try making changes unless you are confident in what you are doing and you have the correct equipment & a stable connection. Disregard the highlighted blue option below. I borrowed the image from an earlier post. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roland@pcmtec 1,446 Posted October 10 Author Share Posted October 10 2 hours ago, Bill said: FORScan 2.4.2 Beta has the functionality to use the pcm VIN to check the Ford as-built database & download the as-built data file if it's available. It can also check the firmware of some OBDII interfaces & update the interface firmware. There has been a few problems reported & 2.4.2 version has currently been removed from the downloads area. Depending on what you were going to use 2.4.2 for, it may work fine. I believe most of the issues were around programming APIM. When it becomes available again, you will need an internet connection to check & download the as-built data. Don't forget to save your current configuration for all modules before doing any programming so you have data to revert back to should something not be right. That is really interesting to know. I tried downloading as built data via vin from the motorcraft site but it only had the pcm when entering a Falcon VIN. Does Forscan manage to find asbuilt ABS data? Edit: looks like it works the same as an IDS offline session and let's you reload it from a list. Very handy! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cbertram 0 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 Ok have done it to f6 mk1 has cleared abs related issues but now still showing transmission fault Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 2 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 9 hours ago, Roland@pcmtec said: That is really interesting to know. I tried downloading as built data via vin from the motorcraft site but it only had the pcm when entering a Falcon VIN. Does Forscan manage to find asbuilt ABS data? Edit: looks like it works the same as an IDS offline session and let's you reload it from a list. Very handy! I've only tried this with a BF XR6T & am getting an error for the BEM.....incorrect number of blocks so I can only assume it includes the BEM data & data for other modules. I haven't tried other modules yet. Further investigation shows it's been fitted with the wrong BEM at some point. The current BEM has faults for seat memory module etc that are not fitted. From your edit, it looks like you might already have 2.4.2. If not, let me know if you want a copy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 2 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 8 hours ago, Cbertram said: Ok have done it to f6 mk1 has cleared abs related issues but now still showing transmission fault Unless you fitted the tcm from the vehicle you got the pcm from I'd expect that you would be getting transmission faults. You would need to know the TEAR TAG or strategy info as a minimum if you plan on trying to reprogram the tcm to match. There are several topics on ZF's if you search. If you get stuck, search for Whiteford & contact Jack. He may not give away info but he is a go to when it comes to ZF programming & can reprogram TCM's on the bench. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cbertram 0 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 Does this help 😓 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roland@pcmtec 1,446 Posted October 11 Author Share Posted October 11 That is what is in the car. You need to know what is MEANT to be in the car. Eg the drivers side tear tag. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cbertram 0 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 8 hours ago, Roland@pcmtec said: That is what is in the car. You need to know what is MEANT to be in the car. Eg the drivers side tear tag. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Superb 7 Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 On 10/11/2020 at 8:26 AM, Cbertram said: Yes have turbo ecu and engine swapped my na G6E to turbo so the factory one won’t help Did you change over the auto too? As Bill said above the PCM & TCM calibration need to match... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Superb 7 Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 On 10/11/2020 at 9:00 AM, Bill said: If it's a FG MK1, I think it might be able to be changed the same way as it's done in BF. I believe FG MK2 is done via central configuration but haven't had access to an FG1 or FG2 to confirm. Can confirm for MK2 & FGX "Module initialization/relearn from Central Config" does work 😁 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 2 Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 11 hours ago, Superb said: Can confirm for MK2 & FGX "Module initialization/relearn from Central Config" does work 😁 Thanks for the confirming the procedure works 👍 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
burkey21 1 Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 Here are the Asbuilt files from my 2008 Turbo Territory Ghia 2008 TTG SY abs asbuilt.abt 2008 TTG SY bem asbuilt.abt 2008 TTG SY him asbuilt.abt 2008 TTG SY icc asbuilt.abt 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roland@pcmtec 1,446 Posted October 26 Author Share Posted October 26 On 10/24/2020 at 12:45 PM, burkey21 said: Here are the Asbuilt files from my 2008 Turbo Territory Ghia If anyone else has any Forscan as built files feel free to use this thread as a repository. We can make a new thread if there is enough interest. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roland@pcmtec 1,446 Posted October 26 Author Share Posted October 26 New facebook group Mick started as well here which might be useful for people https://www.facebook.com/groups/australianforscanusersgroup 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mick 0 Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 2 hours ago, Roland@pcmtec said: New facebook group Mick started as well here which might be useful for people https://www.facebook.com/groups/australianforscanusersgroup Thanks Roland The group is there so people can download their Asbuilt files, but also any "how to's" regarding what is possible and how to do it on our Aussie cars Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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