[first timer tuner - N/A bf turbo barra]

1 hour ago, jpm600 said:

I think it is a great way to learn

I started with territcompared with FPV f6 and aftermarket 10psi capa generic tune. I since stufied a few different tunes. The compare feature on PCMtec is invaluable for insights into the changes made.

If you get the professional level software(which is what i got), then you can generate stock tunes from model catch codes to compare changes from stock and look a different factory tunes like F6 or fg xr6 sprint etc.

 

That's great, thanks man. I am considering supercharging in order to retain LPG which takes up space on the exhaust side.

1 hour ago, Roland@pcmtec said:

It will be designed to give you all the information to tune a lightly modified Xr6t to 300rwkw including the ZF6HP26. This includes all mechanical steps and check lists. 

Beginner/intermediate level however it will still have info that might be new for even experienced workshops. 

It will be a document that can be purchased through the editor. In person training will be in groups and a done seperately. 

We haven't decided on pricing or the delivery method exactly yet as the the material is only half way done. 

Sounds good, hope it turns out well. I've noticed quite a few complaints about the lack of BTR 4 speed support from Haltech, they say there is just not enough demand to justify it. I would prefer a T56 anyway.

Are there big differences between the NA and boosted versions of the ZF? Will it be easy for someone to apply the course material to a boost converted NA model?

[first timer tuner - N/A bf turbo barra]

18 minutes ago, Roland@pcmtec said:

Also we have invested a large amount of money into producing some training material and a tuning guide which will have an accompanying in person training session available in VIC which we hope will be available this year. This has taken us years to find someone capable of doing this which also has the availability to deliver on it. It is very hard to find people who can do this job and are willing to take it on. The reason we haven't had anything available to date is not from lack of trying, we just literally could not find anyone to hire to develop it. 

That's interesting. Assuming that most shops are already trained, I guess the guide would be aimed at beginners / intermediates?

Will it be in groups or 1 on 1? Will the guide / material be made available to enthusiasts?

[first timer tuner - N/A bf turbo barra]

OK, thanks guys, much appreciated. Makes a bit more sense now.

So HPA provides non-specific general EFI training but no software or hardware. Haltech provides a little bit of everything. PCMtec provides software but not a lot of training or support, except for workshops and people getting in at the 3k level. Or at least, any training / guides etc. are funded by the income from higher levels.

Is there more to the workshop's perspective other than wanting to maintain a monopoly on tuning?

My current vehicle had a dyno tune done already before I bought it. Is it a viable learning path to study the differences between a factory map vs the modified map? 

[first timer tuner - N/A bf turbo barra]

10 minutes ago, jpm600 said:

Funny that you quoted my post to say "the whole scene" is riddled with impossible steep learning curves and rocket science level equipment. 

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Anyway, like i said - im still learning and still having fun doing so and im sure plenty of other enthusiasts are too.

Thanks for your input man. I don't mean to come crashing into this place all jaded from the outset. It's just that at first I was like oh great, someone else is just getting started and maybe I can learn along with them, but then no, it's too difficult and you'll blow up your engine, your gearbox and your mum's toaster.

Why can't you (the forum as a whole) simply point to a getting started guide and say look, here are the risks, here are the payoffs, here's what you'll need and what it will cost. Once you understand all that and are ready to continue, come back to us when you come up against a specific issue you are struggling with. (?)

Maybe that's already in place and i've overlooked it? I already asked @Roland@pcmtec for a getting started guide (on youtube) and he ghosted me after that. I get that videos are not the main focus around here at the moment, but some more effort on that front would go a very long way towards welcoming newcomers to the scene. 

[first timer tuner - N/A bf turbo barra]

On 3/23/2021 at 12:46 AM, jpm600 said:

...With a 7psi spring, you will have more boost and torque in some areas where it might be more likely to detonate or bend rods(especially with the higher compression NA motor)...

Doesn't a turbo flapper mod compensate / correct for this by smoothing out the boost and ironing out random peaks? Short of that, if it's knocking anywhere in the range, isn't that something you can just tune out by pulling timing? 
 

On 3/23/2021 at 7:11 AM, dat111 said:

...i have picked up some 550cc injectors for 50 bucks (to be flow tested) if they are shit ill just bin them...
 

Many people run factory NA injectors (and fuel pump) at the same rwkw levels you are chasing without any problems. Also many guys run 7 - 9 pounds no problems. I've seen people complete the conversion, but then be unable to start and run properly with the 4 bar map sensor installed. They had to re-fit the stock one and cruise to a tune shop.

I must say I'm disappointed to see an enthusiastic guy willing to learn and with a solid 6 - 12 months to apply to researching, parts / tools collecting etc. join up and ask for advice, only to almost immediately bail out and choose the 'get someone else to do it' path. It's discouraging that this whole scene seems riddled with impossibly steep learning curves and rocket science level equipment.

Is it really that hard to install and monitor a wide band + knock sensor + fuel pressure + timing and whatever else?

If 12 months of solid research is not enough, why is there any pretence at all to cater for the 'enthusiast' ? This whole thing is made to seem out of reach for all, except those already working with dynos in workshops with decades of prior experience and Space-X level budgets.