KyleBruh
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On 4/5/2022 at 7:44 AM, Roland@pcmtec said:
Yes but you can't type them in and download them willy nilly via the stock file wizard. You need pro for this. If someone else sends them to you, you can view them though.
Hey mate just curious, I’ve hooked my computer up to a customers car ‘07 Bf Craig Lowndes xr6t that came in to work to just load the file from it
i downloaded it to view it but it wants me to license it to be able to view/ edit it.
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Can you view these from enthusiast?
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On 1/29/2022 at 2:30 PM, jpm600 said:
I used the injector deadtimes calculated the the excel sheet posted initially and these for slopes
There was very little difference between these and the ones calculated in the spreadsheet. These are slightly richer in the high slope, which looks better on my scatterplot.
So where do I find the deadtimes in the spreadsheet?
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31 minutes ago, jpm600 said:
I used the injector deadtimes calculated the the excel sheet posted initially and these for slopes
There was very little difference between these and the ones calculated in the spreadsheet. These are slightly richer in the high slope, which looks better on my scatterplot.
Okay sweet, when I get a chance to have a fiddle I will just moving at the moment so a bit tied up
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11 hours ago, jpm600 said:
Got a chance to datalog the drive home today.
capa slopes and breakpoint do look pretty good in the high slopes, the scatterplot shows a bit rich in the low slope(circle is approximately breakpoint).
although it gets even richer lower down, so I think the injector deadtimes are still too long. However, it drives great, so i'm not super keen to change it too much.
So, @KyleBruh i would say if you use the capa slopes and deadtimes in the excel sheet, you should be good. If it's still rich at idle and lean under power, then something else must be wrong.... counterfeit bosch green injectors?
As I understand it, a lot of idle control is done with spark as it reacts fast, so maybe check spark source at idle. maybe air leak after throttle.
So the one you are referring to is the one you initially posted?
I’ll have to check over everything in that case, I do have a stripped manifold threat in the head and I’ve got the heli coil kit to repair that to solve one of the potential causes and re-tension the throttle body and probably do the intake manifold gasket because as far as I’m aware it’s still the factory gasket but it doesn’t misfire or anything to lead me to believe it has a manifold leak.
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3 hours ago, Roland@pcmtec said:
You can use histograms in 2.1 now, you don't need megalogviewer.
Oh sweet I’ll give it a crack later in the week, been a bit busy.
Just curious is the website crashing for anyone else? Just on safari on iPhone, once the screen loads it like resets but with a blank page with page data at the top. -
1 hour ago, Roland@pcmtec said:
Can you log a histogram in the datalogger using the channels discussed.
Yeah, that was the only thing I had available just need to download them
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On 1/13/2022 at 2:26 PM, Roland@pcmtec said:
There are plenty of people that you could pay to dial the injectors in for you. You could try some people on this forum or a workshop.
And this is what my fuel trims were like wasn’t much of a drive.
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3 hours ago, BeerTurbo said:
The FG F6 uses 440cc injectors from memory. well i think at 4 bar they work out to be in the 500cc range, but here is the slopes for that.
they have verry similar low slopes so if your using this size injectors this is prob a god start point?
yeah cheers man I’m happy to spend the time to work it out.
3 hours ago, Roland@pcmtec said:There are plenty of people that you could pay to dial the injectors in for you. You could try some people on this forum or a workshop.
Nah I want to use my car to learn, I’m happy to work out how to do it, in the end it’s all trial and error and I’m happy to hit those dead ends and and have to try again to rectify them, just takes a while for me to wrap my head around stuff.
but yeah, I can’t really do anything at the moment with it until I actually do some data logging, then plot them out like you were suggesting earlier in those programs.
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On 8/21/2019 at 8:08 PM, Roland@pcmtec said:
For anyone doing this from scratch I recommend logging the following values and loading it into mega log viewer. In this case the vehicle simple has the wrong slopes. I believe they have put slopes for a KPM 1100 injector which have a less steep low slope (reverse of say an ID1000).
Engine speed load used for spark table desired lambda long term fuel trim Fuel mass requested Pulse width open loop TPS vehicle speed Intake cam position Exhaust cam position Current speed density offset Current speed density slope I then loaded this into a scatterplot, red is 1.0, rest of the scale is on the right. I also filtered this data against transient by taking the derivative of rpm and adding a data filter (these are included in megalog HD). Here is the filter I used
(abs([ENGINE_SPEED] - [ENGINE_SPEED-4]) > ([ENGINE_SPEED] * 0.05))
I also made a histogram
Here are the injector figures (ID1000s)
As you can see the low slope is completely wrong and far too rich (I believe KPM injectors have a weird slope like this). For ID1000s the low slope should be steeper than the high slope.
From the scatter plot you can see the high slope appears perfect. This means we need to adjust both slopes to accomodate for the new low slow (will pull 12% off fueling out first go)
REST TO COME SOON
This is where I got too it’s just quite a bit to understand.
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1 hour ago, jpm600 said:
Hi, this is the injector values in the capa tune for bosch green 42lb injectors.
They dont change any of the deadtime vs voltage on the capa tune and i wonder if that is the difference. Anyway, these value should get you close. If it's still lean under load, then how much boost? what fuel pump? what fuel pressure?
Hope it helps
Still running factory boost turbosmart actuator 5psi spring, 255 walbro, factory 4bar reg.
haven’t touched anything other then the injectors and switching it from auto to manual.
1 hour ago, BeerTurbo said:Look at your short n long term fuel.
From that rich at idle you would need to make low slope larger...or you have a leak.
I don’t believe I have a leak, as far as I’m aware, I did have a leak at the turbo to manifold but that’s been sorted for a while.
1 hour ago, Roland@pcmtec said:Post your LTFT plot as per the injector scaling thread. You can use the histograms in 2.1 instead of megalog viewer now.
How do I do that?
I’ll have a look and check back in again.
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It’s hitting 12.1 at idle warm.
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20 hours ago, BeerTurbo said:
What high/low do u have now? What injectors are you using?
The high/ low and PW I entered were these (quoted below) the injectors I’m using are Bosch green 42lb/ 440cc.
On 3/9/2021 at 7:45 PM, jpm600 said:Hi Kyle,
I haven't actually fitted my 42lb injectors yet, so i don't know how accurate this scaling is. I've just used the official bosch data you have already above and used excel to calc for base pressure. I do see it is different(leaner) compared with CAPA data for the 42lb injectors, but that might be a mail order tune fudge factor. obviously once installed you can drive it off boost and watch you fuel trims to get an idea of how accurate.... or even better install wideband and use real data to adjust in real time.
Anyway, Excel sheet attached.
Hopefully people with more experience will chime in if i've made stupid mistakes.
regards,
Justin
Which I’ve only just been able to test with a wideband as I’ve been trying to find a house to move into so had to keep the car on the back burner, idle and cruise were a bit rich, but coming into positive manifold pressure it was leaning out.
10 hours ago, Roland@pcmtec said:Read the injector scaling howto
Yeah I have, but found it a bit difficult to grasp how to adjust them, more so unfamiliar with the excel spread sheets that where attached in the comments also, so it makes it a bit more difficult never really learned how to use it back at school.
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On 3/18/2021 at 6:24 PM, Puffwagon said:
Well we all start somewhere don't we...
This is a simple way of looking at it;
Think of the slope numbers as how big the ecu thinks the injector is. For the sake of making it easy, lets assume both slopes are the same number. If you make them 100 the ecu will run an afr of 14.7 for example. It wont actually be that afr but lets just say it is.
If we make the slope number smaller, the ecu thinks the injector is smaller and will open the injector for longer which will run richer.
So there is one way of thinking about how the size of the slopes work.
The reason there are 2 slopes, hi and lo, is because the injector doesn't flow a linear amount of fuel when it is only open for a short amount of time. Lets just say it flows 1mL when it is open for 1ms. It would make sense that it would flow 2mL for 2 ms and 10mL for 10ms right? The injector doesn't actually flow like that. It is kinda wonky and the first 1ms to 2ms doesn't flow the same, so that area gets a low slope number. The reason it's called the low slope isn't because the number is smaller, it's because it is the start of the slope.
Ideally we would have just one slope number but until we have injectors that flow the same from start to finish we have to break them up (get it?!? break point?!?) so we get the right amount of fuel at idle as well as normal driving. All injectors are different which is why we have different break points to change where the slopes swap.
We have a breakpoint number which tells the ecu when to swap from the low slope to the high slope. That means when there is enough fuel demand to get past the wonky part (usually just after idle) it'll swap from the low slope number to the high slope number.
Here's a couple of pictures to understand the wonky part of the slope
so I've finally had time, to read over what you've said and finally get back to you haha
so technically the the low slope needs to be decreased and the high slope needs to be increased by what results I've gotten (too rich at idle, and lean under load).
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okay well, I've just had a look at the stock fuel table, how do I get closer to that, is that all in scaling the injectors? or am I needing to modify elsewhere also? just having trouble wrapping my head around it.
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7 hours ago, BeerTurbo said:
15 afr on boost? Stop driving it.
Read the stock fuel table, will answer your question.
14.7 at idle / 11.8 on boost.
It’s barely been driven since March, only did a pass in it once I got the wideband hooked up. Otherwise it’s barely seen the road over the last fair few months.
had no license, so just been playing around with things until I get it back.
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On 3/9/2021 at 7:45 PM, jpm600 said:
Hi Kyle,
I haven't actually fitted my 42lb injectors yet, so i don't know how accurate this scaling is. I've just used the official bosch data you have already above and used excel to calc for base pressure. I do see it is different(leaner) compared with CAPA data for the 42lb injectors, but that might be a mail order tune fudge factor. obviously once installed you can drive it off boost and watch you fuel trims to get an idea of how accurate.... or even better install wideband and use real data to adjust in real time.
Anyway, Excel sheet attached.
Hopefully people with more experience will chime in if i've made stupid mistakes.
regards,
Justin
So I finally got around to actually hooking up a wideband and seeing what this data put out , AFR is at about 10.3 when items cold, around 14.1 at idle once it’s warm, with WOT coming onto boost it’s steady around 14-14.5 and peak boost it’s coming up to 15 and settling there and what should I be targeting in these areas?
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9 hours ago, jakka351 said:
Does this mean I'm getting an ipod?200304PIDs (1).pdf
I’ll have to track one down hahaha
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55 minutes ago, Bill said:
Have a look at the OBDLink app. It has PIDs and gauges too.
If you buy the OBDLink Mx+ Bluetooth adapter, it works with their app as well as FORScan. It’s a good investment.
Yeah I think i’m just going to go with the other obd connector they have, that’s compatible and FORScan.
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20 minutes ago, Roland@pcmtec said:
What is your goal? If you just want to log things use torque pro or forscan for android. No point reinventing the wheel when there are apps out there that already do it for you.
But that’s the drama just want to run it through my iPhone which I have FORScan on my phone but the dongle won’t link up (I need the obd-aus mx link version of it, I have the elm327 attached a photo of the one I got) with it for some reason and to run the torque app I’d need to get a Android phone to run it.
just thought people would have been there and done that for this sort of information But I’ve got really most of what I’m after, o2s1 voltage would be the lambda wouldn’t it?
so all I’m really after is a command for boost and oil pressure (if there is an applicable sensor to get a reading for oil pressure).
really it’s just for monitoring things on the fly, don’t really want to run a cluster of gauges on the dash just wanted to keep it simplified and tidier with just my phone mounted in car.
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3 hours ago, jakka351 said:
4x4 Low 4x4 low range input Ambient Air Temperature Missing the CAN message from the ABS. A/C pressure switch A/C pressure sensor Adaptive Fuel table 1 Status Adaptive Fuel table 2 Status Size and Format Information About the Bank 1 AFT Size and Format Information About the Bank 2 AFT Secondary Air System Evaluated Accelerator pedal position sensor 1 Accelerator pedal position sensor 2 Accelerator pedal position sensor 3 Accelerator Pedal Position D Accelerator Pedal Position Sensor Status Accelerator Pedal Position Time Since Engine Start Time Since Engine Start Ave fuel consumed litres per hr this trip Axle Ratio Barometric pressure Battery voltage at the time of J1979 Mode freeze frame. Missing the CAN message from BEM Brake ON/OFF Brake Pressure Applied switch Catalyst Monitor Catalyst Temperature Bank 1 Catalyst Temperature Bank 2 All CCM Faults Monitored Since Power-up Cylinder Head Temperature Cylinder Head Temperature Sensor Status Cylinder Head Temperature Closed loop - using oxygen sensor(s) as feedback for fuel control Missing the CAN message from ICM Clutch Pedal Position Switch/Neutral Switch Circuit Clutch Pedal Position Switch. Crank fueling disabled Diff Lock Command Output Diff Lock Request Input Valid Drive Counter Desired Idle Speed RPM DTC Count (includes those needing no action) Diff Lock Confirmation Input Exception counter Exception Type Engine coolant temperature Engine coolant temperature Engine Coolant Temperature Status Exhaust Gas Recirculation System Evaluated Engine Oil Temperature Status Error To Quizzer Error From Quizzer Electronic Throttle Control Actual Electronic Throttle Control Desired Evaporative Emission Purge Monitor Complete Evaporative Emission Canister Purge Valve duty cycle Engine cooling fan operation Freeze Frame Data Fuel Level Fuel Level Input Status Foot Brake - Foot brake state used by strategy Fuel Pulse Width Fuel System Status (Open/Closed Loop) Fuel system status (Open/Closed loop) - Bank 1 Fuel system status (Open/Closed loop) - Bank 2 Instantaneous Fuel Economy - Metric Fuel System Monitor Evaluated MANUAL_GEAR_POSITION Generator Command Generator Fault Indicator Lamp Generator Monitor Generator Voltage Desired Generator Output Fault Closed loop Fan control high speed Fan Control High Fault Missing the CAN message from HIM High Pressure Compressor Cut Outs Heated Exhaust Gas Oxygen Sensor Heater (bank 1 Heater control for O2S11 Fault Heated Exhaust Gas Oxygen Sensor Heater (bank 1 Heater control for O2S12 Fault Heated Exhaust Gas Oxygen Sensor Heater (bank 2 Heater control for O2S21 Fault Heated Exhaust Gas Oxygen Sensor Heater (bank 2 Heater control for O2S22 Fault Retries executed for O2S11 heater Retries executed for O2S21 heater Airflow Trim Learned (Neutral Airflow Trim Learned (Neutral Short Term Airflow Trim Before KAM Learned (LBM/min) IAC has been monitored since power-up. Idle Air Control Intake Air Temperature Intake Air Temperature Inlet Air Temperature Sensor Status Intake Air Temperature - Voltage Instantaneous fuel consumption-liters per hour Intermediate Shaft Speed Keep Alive Memory Power Fan control low speed Ave fuel consumed litres per 100 km for this trip Engine load Calculated Load Value Long term fuel trim 1 Long term fuel trim 1 Long term fuel trim 2 Long term fuel trim 2 Highest value seen on MAF fault filter. Manifold absolute pressure sensor Manifold absolute pressure sensor Manifold absolute pressure sensor Manifold Absolute Pressure Sensor Status Intake Air Temperature At Time Of Misfire Engine Load At Time Of Misfire Park/Neutral Position At Time Of Misfire Engine Running Time At Time Of Misfire Engine RPM At Time Of Misfire Engine Off Soak Time Prior to Misfire Throttle Position At Time Of Misfire Number Of Trips Since The Time Of Misfire Vehicle Speed At Time Of Misfire Malfunction Indicator Lamp The distance travelled since the MIL was activated. Engine Misfire currently detected Misfire Monitor Evaluated Misfire On Board Diagnostic Trip Flag Misfire Profile Correction Learned Manual Shift Auto Downshift Switch Manual Shift Auto Upshift Switch Total Number of Misfires Number of firings not assessed Heated Exhaust Oxygen Sensor System Evaluated Heated Exhaust Gas Oxygen Sensor (bank 1 Short term fuel trim 1 Heated Exhaust Gas Oxygen Sensor (bank 1 Heated Exhaust Oxygen Sensor 11 Status Heated Exhaust Gas Oxygen Sensor (bank 1 Heated Exhaust Gas Oxygen Sensor (bank 2 Heated Exhaust Gas Oxygen Sensor (bank 2 Short term fuel trim 2 Heated Exhaust Gas Oxygen Sensor (bank 2 Heated Exhaust Oxygen Sensor 21 Status On Board Diagnostic Requirements Supported ODU_RAM$I Overdrive Cancel Switch Engine Oil Pressure Open loop due to driving conditions Open loop fuel due to FMEM Open Loop Output Shaft Speed. Output Shaft Speed Failure Mode Actual Output Shaft Speed Duration of last starter motor operation Outcode Pressure Control Solenoid A Pressure Control Solenoid B Pressure Control Solenoid C Power steering pressure switch Power Steering Status Speed Control Actuator Switch RESUME Estimated range to empty Address the block of range data for use by the off board equipment which flashes the parameters (i.e. Rear O2 Fuel Trim - Bank 1 Rear O2 Fuel Trim - Bank 2 Engine Revolutions Per Minute Engine Revolutions Per Minute Speed Control Command Switch Speed Control Command Switch Speed Control No Switch Input Speed Control Actuator Switch SET/ACCEL Speed Control Cancel Switch Speed Control Actuator Switch Coast Speed Control Error Warning Indicator Speed Control Actuator Switch Off Speed Control Actuator Switch On Speed Control Switch Status Vehicle Security Access Status Diagnostic Trouble Codes Short term fuel trim 1 Short term fuel trim 1 Short term fuel trim 2 Short term fuel trim 2 ignition timing for trailing coil Spark Advance Spark Advance Shift Solenoid #1 Electrical fault Shift Solenoid #2 Electrical fault CMP and CKP Synchronized Torque Converter Clutch Solenoid Torque Converter Clutch Fault Torque Converter Unlocking Due to Slipping Missing CAN message from the TCM Overdrive Cancel Switch/Hold Switch Cumula. cyl events Transmission Fluid Temperature Status Anti-Theft Status Tire Size (rev / mile) Throttle Position Throttle Position Sensor 1 Throttle Position Sensor 2 Intermittent fault filter Digital Transmission Range switch 1 Digital Transmission Range switch 2 Digital Transmission Range switch 3 Digital Transmission Range switch 4 Transmission System MIL Fault Transmission actual gear On-Board Diagnostic Trip Completed Number of On Board Diagnostic trips completed Ave veh speed while engines running for this trip Transmission Range status Turbine Speed Sensor Failure Mode Turbo Boost Pressure Octane Adjust/Spark Retard Module supply voltage Vehicle Speed Output Status Vehicle Speed Vehicle Speed Vehicle speed sensor signal statusPick which ones you want and ill set it up for you, likely against terms and conditions of forum to solicit paid work from here but I really want an old 30 pin plug ipod, swaps info for ipod/cool stuff?
Well this is how I’m trying to set it up map, volts, o2s1 volt (b1) which I was trying to set up for a lambda, coolant temp and cylinder head temp which I’d prefer oil temp.
and this is what I’ve found in the settings so don’t know if it helps in any way.
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21 minutes ago, jakka351 said:
You dont need a decent scanner, you just need to set your bluetooth dongle up so that it can send on the Diagnostic CAN id of the PCM, and recieve its response. so in your obd app, you wanna send on Id/header 7E0 - that is 0x7E0 a hexadecimal number, and to recieve a response on can id 0x7E8 from the pcm. You need to look up Service 0x22 ReadDataByLocalD or similar. google UDS Diagnostics to get an idea. Torque pro has all the general ford extended PIDs so maybe look into that app. sorry its friday night cbf more detail
See this is where I got lost in the forum posts when I was searching for the commands where they were discussing the “hexadecimal” etc and as old mate referred to it prior as a sniffer. The forum’s which I was reading up on they were talking about more or less fishing for them in sequence and looking for a response. (It was pretty much a thread that originally started as a reverse engineering call out of the canbus) a couple of other people joined in on it and one of the last comments on the thread lead to pcmhacking.net i believe then it lead me back here.
and yeah I was going to try and get the torque app but it’s only available on the android platform not apple. Which my mate told me the sensors set up in that app work fine but I really don’t want to buy another phone just to set up like a HUD.
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11 minutes ago, hjtrbo said:
Ah I see. Sometimes you can get lucky choosing different Ford models. OBD mode 1 will only ever give a very basic set of PIDs. I can see you need more detailed information to construct your own messages. I'm not able to help with that. All the best.
Yeah these are the only options I have available for it via the app.
I had the second option selected for my ute.
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33 minutes ago, hjtrbo said:
Are you iphone or android?
If android pay the few $ and get car scanner pro and a shitty bluetooth OBD dongle from Kogan. This is what I use on my FG XR6T when the laptop is not in the car. Works fine.
Edit: Ignore the readings, I had to put the app into demo mode to get a screenshot as I was not connected to the car.
Yeah this is the app I have man on iPhone but because I’ve got a ‘03 BA the PID’s are different I’m pretty sure. I tried emailing them directly and they said they don’t have the commands available for my car all that comes up are the generic type PID’s
Stock file database
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The code is HACCKB6