[NA+T BF zf6]

thought i may revive this thread!! 

so after some consideration. I think tuning my own car is the best idea for me
(as i can get the results i want)

AEM wideband
laptop
dlp8
openport 2.0

*its got a base tune in it (have a mate who knows what his looking at to come by an have a look at the tune next weekend*
at this moment, im chasing an odd issue  its got a base tune in it (have a mate who knows what his looking at to come by an have a look at the tune next weekend* 

comes into boost, feels like a misfire but it feels like it hits a wall, when its warming upto operating temp (5-7 mins of driving) after 20-35mins it starts to feel like its hitting a wall. (starts doing it from about 2000rpm when it comes into boost, as low as 2psi anything over that it just hits a wall) it has no crappy idle. afterwards or anything. in vaccum it drives like a dream 

5500km old genuine coils
5000km old ford plugs gapped to .7mm
new fuel filter
new OEM delphi fuel pump in mail. 
(it does need a new intake gasket) 
new bosch oxygen sensors 

people have said its

valve springs
tune
it needs new coils/plugs
torque reduction from the NA computer for the box. 
so im starting with the complete basics. so they are atleast covered an renewed. 

any tips on things to log?
mate thinks if the timing is too low with it being rich it MAY be the issue. 

[NA+T BF zf6]

thanks mate. goes back to my OG brain point.
best left to the pros! 

appreciate the helps guys 

[NA+T BF zf6]

40 minutes ago, Puffwagon said:

 

I got away with not using them for years cos I knew what to look out for. I use them now and for safety I'd recommend using them considering you are new to it.

 

Don't pick an arbitrary number, let the car tell you where it wants to be. Start low and work your way up. If get get a knock solution that has a graphical output then it will be very easy to spot where it starts to knock.

If you run low timing then boost control can be difficult as the engine will be flowing more exhaust gas through the turbo and in turn wanting to make more boost. It can spike on gear changes if the timing is too low on a shift but there are other things influencing the shift timing.

The car will feel like a slug if it is low on timing but this is something you will find out on your own eventually.

thanks alot for that puff wagon. it has had a "base tune" by a tuner, im going to get him to polish it off. an then i will play around with more overtime.

im extremely conserved with my timing as (safer the better) but now you bring that to alight it suggests not always. safe is best. it can use other issues.
hoping to not use knock ears, as me been conservative with timing as sticking to around .90 lambda in my base fuel map. 

[NA+T BF zf6]

thanks guys.  appreciate the help.

with regards to tuning hardware... 

obviously a wideband is required. 
are knock ears a must or an option?

im going to keep timing about 7 degrees 
(overly safe i get it)  

[NA+T BF zf6]

@Bill do you know if forscan has the ability to reset the adaptive shift patterns?

[NA+T BF zf6]

sorted it out mate!! thanks a ton

[NA+T BF zf6]

ive tried clicking on TCM an i cant actually click on it, its actually blanked out. maybe i have no idea what im doing lol. i have the "fg xr6T"one 

[NA+T BF zf6]

3 minutes ago, Bill said:

No worries dat111.....sounds like you might not be changing the licencing level for PCM & TCM for the file you're looking at or the Demo file HAEDHB2 may not include the ZF. It was a few years ago that I was looking at demo files.
The lower the level "Enthusiast", the less you will see. As you increase to "Professional" & "Workshop", the more parameters & tables you get access to.
Here's where you change what you can see at each licencing level if you haven't found it

 

thanks so much bill!! it seems that the file im using in the demo does not have it!! that explain it!! 

[NA+T BF zf6]

hi bill thanks so much for that.

i have been playing around with the demo.
i am trying to understand pressures, the "how to ZF trans maps" i couldnt find the command prompts i searched for them an had no luck. this is me having a play around with the demo creating a  what i might call "safe" timing an fuel map 

[NA+T BF zf6]

hey guys. i currently have my ZF BF with 320km  installed in my NA falcon with a turbo on it. running 5psi. 

was wondering is it possible to use the NA TCM  into the turbo box with no issues? or do i need to match all the serial numbers etc?
or just drop the valve body replace all the seals an then bolt back up an off ya go. ?
there's nothing wrong with the box besides (minor slip from 3-4 at low RPM) 

what sort of learning curve to tuning the box is there?

[first timer tuner - N/A bf turbo barra]

hey guys! 
thought id revive my dead thread on this topic,
so sticking to the original plan  

car has 315km on it. i wont be tuning it. 
3 - 5psi adjusting with a boost Tee 
stock everything else
stock fuel set up (new pump, an 4 bar reg)
my biggest concern is the valve springs an gearbox (flares when cold between 3-4 very slightly, besides that its fine) 


 

[first timer tuner - N/A bf turbo barra]

update: i have secured a 182K bf MKI with a BTR service history (box has been rebuilt an serviced every 10k with oil filter was done) (payed 1000 bucks for it) 
the zf BF is now my daily.

has anybody dealth with COREtuned at newcastle or Euro Prestige in vineyard?
they seem to be the guys ill be looking at using

[first timer tuner - N/A bf turbo barra]

hey JPM. 
thanks so much for writing back.

i have decided to let a professional handle it, the fella im going to take it to.. he has tuned a few of these things, his going to road tune it. (495)
im currently looking to buying a BA falcon with a 4 speed in it.. i cant come to blow up the BF if it comes to that.. (if it was to happen, back to the drawing board MKII BF lpg motor with valve springs an E85)

i have picked up some 550cc injectors for 50 bucks (to be flow tested) if they are shit ill just bin them. 
regards to the ECU,wiring harness an boost controller. i 100% agree with you an see where your coming from. the stupid money people want for that stuff. isnt worth it (i seen a guy selling a harness/ECU for 1300)
im also currently looking at a bigger intercooler over stock > this build will no doubt blow out of budget but hay why the hell not lol.
7psi is the number i look at, i will be using a boostT to wind up the boost an the lock it off, once we are there. 
 

[first timer tuner - N/A bf turbo barra]

1 minute ago, Roland@pcmtec said:

Everyone will tell you about their magical unicorn motor/box that lasts forever. But they won't be bragging about how they blew up 4 na+T motors in a month before taking it to a tuner (yes I've seen this). 

thats why i am asking if you could tell me a tuner you feel could help me

[first timer tuner - N/A bf turbo barra]

4 minutes ago, Puffwagon said:

 

It wont blow up on the dyno as the operator can keep an eye on things. Even an experienced tuner can't watch everything on the road. A beginner will be flying blind unless they start with an already safely tuned car and start logging it.

 

 

You won't know what you did but I'll tell you now to save you the effort. It'll have too much timing and will break a ring land and/or snap a rod cos there will be too much boost.

 

 

Yeah nah that wont happen. I've seen first hand a na box take over 400rwkw and obviously all the torque that goes with that, for 18 months before it started slipping.

 

 

Do that. You'll want to remove about 4 degrees of timing everywhere to start with and when you're logging you'll want to start with a total of 5 degrees at WOT. This should be a safe starting point but you'll need the knock ears to confirm it.

 

 

Do that but don't worry about the fuel pressure logging at this stage. A walbro 255 will take car of everything you need for now.

 

 

It might seem like fun now but you're going to have to put literally hundreds of hours into learning how to tune before you get to a reasonable level. You'll be there sitting on the side of the road, sweating your arse out making tuning changes and all the while hoping that you haven't pushed it too far for it to shit the bed on the next logging attempt.

 

 

He sure can and you'll save yourself so much work and money you'll be miles ahead. Logging hardware aint cheap you know!

thanks so much for that puff wagon, 

i saw that roland said that the box will sh*t the bed.. ive seen BTR 4 speeds with 400,000km N/A+T's take 270rwkw.. i was thinking that the ZF6 are built even N/A are built a little bit better 

in regards to tuners. ive spoken to a few of them.. some wont tune it "its to much work" or its gonna cost you minimum 2700 
i spoke to 2 tuners who were quite reasonable on the phone , hearing from others.. they have a lousy reputation.
sad thing about the car game. i also want somebody whos going to listen to what i want.. not the fattest figure on a piece of paper. 

in regards to my understanding.. the stock fuel pump is the same used in the turbos? or are they different (i didnt look at part numbers thus far)
they are VERY easy to change) 

this is why i have taken such a long time to prepare an research everything i have 90% of the hardware to do the conversion. id rather over prepare then under prepare. 

[first timer tuner - N/A bf turbo barra]

40 minutes ago, Roland@pcmtec said:

Xr6t runs less compression. You will blow it up in literally minutes if you use that tune. Na+T needs knock ears to tune it properly as it will be very knock limited. 

Are you planning on purchasing knock ears, a wideband and some method to log fuel pressure? 

The na box will also blow up with any decent torque behind it. 

or could you recommended a tuner who you know who has done this before?

[first timer tuner - N/A bf turbo barra]

2 minutes ago, Roland@pcmtec said:

Xr6t runs less compression. You will blow it up in literally minutes if you use that tune. Na+T needs knock ears to tune it properly as it will be very knock limited. 

Are you planning on purchasing knock ears, a wideband and some method to log fuel pressure? 

The na box will also blow up with any decent torque behind it. 

hey mate, yes i will be, im currently doing all my research now, (looking to do it within 6-12 months) 
so basically run the stock tune an then build off that?

ive talked to a few tuners an they have said the ZF6 aren't a bad box (aslong as you dont rape them, an dont leave it in Drive) i drive my car quite sensibly, but i understand what you mean. 

[first timer tuner - N/A bf turbo barra]

hey guys, my name is daniel.
i am from the central coast of new south!

i am currently putting all the parts together for a N/A turbo build.
then i thought.. instead of having it blow up on a dyno.. why dont i road tune it myself (plus learning it very fun!)

so the plan is to use everything stock from a B series falcon, besides 7PSi waste gate pressure. 
 

im using a stock gt3582R from a FG F6
stock B b series manifold
stock intercooler an piping (considering buying something slighter larger) 
4 bar fuel reg
xr6T manifold sensor.
stock xr6t exhaust 

my questions here are... 
(i have done limited searching on this)
can i use a stock XR6T tune? > then build an play around with that (people said no i cant, on facebook groups) 
"just give it to a tuner an he will work his magic" - id rather blow it up knowing what i did.. then  guessing somebody elses work"

where is the best place to start in regards to watching videos on PCMtec editing an understanding ?
i have the zf6.. can i get away with out tuning the box, or is it worth tuning
 

my end goal is.. great drivability an id like to get at maximum.. 230 rwkw