[FG NA+T Gas Motor Help]

7 hours ago, JoshC said:

Im having issues in the top end with the vss looking like its changing the cam timing. I had no problems running up to 10psi but anything more is being limited, I have had a look at the predictive airflow setting and turbo logic which I have copied from a stock turbo tune that I found.

Do you have any datalogs?

[Pats error]

5 minutes ago, TommyH said:

Yes bill hooten tried to read it on his workbench and it failed . Other issues I had was dropping cylinders , fuel pressure and or injector drivers . 
I had read previously a week ago and had opted for the recovery mode and licenced it .

did a pats reset on forescan cause now I could connect to it , but could t connect yesterday , kept saying turn ignition on when it was on . 
last week didn’t have a issue with forscan connecting either . 

If I'd have known about the other issues with dropping cylinders or injector drivers, you'd read the ecu in recovery mode, licenced the ecu & then not being able to connect with FORScan, I'd have suggested to try writing it again with PCMtec & if you still had the issue, don't bother with it being a BA ecu. The other issues prior to having PATS issues is vital info when asking for help trying to diagnose a problem.

At the end of the day, you have it going again. That's what matters most.

[Pats error]

1 minute ago, TommyH said:

Yep confirmed ,ecu was the issue , 

Try reading your old ecu using PCMtec. If it won't read, tick recovery mode & see if it will read. You don't need to licence it if it does & it might just confirm if there was an issue with the SCT tune.

[Pats error]

15 minutes ago, TommyH said:

Not there yet but almost done 

I've just re-read some of your previous info. Your problems likely started with the SCT tune. I've come across several instances where a pcm hasn't been readable using FORScan, HPtuners, Ford IDS & scan tools in general. It doesn't explain why keys were forgotten. PCMtec will usually still connect to these ecu's in recovery mode.

Sometimes the calibration & strategy don't match, the VIN isn't in the correct format or incorrect VID programming. Sometimes, when this is an issue & they can't be read, they will still accept being flashed

PATS programming on a BA will take about 10-12 minutes

[Pats error]

5 minutes ago, TommyH said:

After changing out the bem still had the same issue , forescan would not connect , ended up getting in contact with bill hooten who checked the pcm, can’t thank him enough … seems that was the issue.

forescan is connecting and currently doing a pats reset with new pcm . 

Great to hear. I've seen a lot of failed BA pcm's where hot or cold temperature stops them from starting or causes stalling, failed coil or injector drivers, auto transmission issues, but haven't seen any where PATS has been an issue. I'll be adding it to the list of known problems.

[Pats error]

7 minutes ago, TommyH said:

Yeh I have someone coming tomorrow with a bem , current one is blue I think 🤔 and changing to a green one ,  and can do keys also . 
I have one original key and also 2 others cloned when my kids lost the original . 
cheers Bill for your input , much appreciated . 

If the 2 spare keys are cloned off the original key, it will see all 3 keys as 1 single key which is why when it fails to see one key, it fails to see all keys. You need 2 individual keys (transponders) for programming, not 3 keys which essentially have the same transponder chip due to cloning.

When using the wrong colour BEM, you'll have to look at the additional fault codes that you'll get & say to yourself, that's a false code when you get them for seat memory module etc

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32 minutes ago, TommyH said:

Cheers for that , I contacted the mechanic he mentioned that the code was b1601-60

Looks like the BEM has forgotten the keys for some reason. Hopefully, the keys are not cloned. If they are cloned, if it forgets 1 key, it forgets them all.

Try reprogramming PATS (keys). If it's only finding one key when you try programming 3, it may be due to cloned keys. If it's not finding any keys to program & has no other codes after programming, it might be a BEM issue.

[Pats error]

8 minutes ago, TommyH said:

Thanks bill , I’ve tried to connect forscan , keeps saying turn on ignition when it is actually switched on .  
just had a auto locksmith he thinks that it’s not the keys , as the flashing hand switches off and reads correctly and said perhaps pcm . 
will go over the things you mentioned and try to hunt it down . 
 

Check the courtesy lamp fuse. It's what supplies power to the OBDII connector. Your OBDII interface won't power up without it

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6 minutes ago, TommyH said:

Ok didn’t take note of fault code by mechanic but read pats error 

It could be a faulty key reader, pcm, bem, transponder chip, cloned keys, ignition switch, wiring etc

Check the ignition electrical switch at the back of the barrel hasn't started falling apart. It's common for this to happen but usually cases other issues too.

Having fault codes would help steer you in the right direction & should have been enough to give your mechanic somewhere to start. If you know someone with FORScan, they could scan it for you.

[Pats error]

2 minutes ago, TommyH said:

Nothing has been flashed to the pcm still retains a tuned file by sct, only read file done in pcmtech .

the red hand goes off once ignition is turned on , but still has a pats error .

was thinking perhaps bcm error ? Not sure on these ba’s . 

Without fault codes, all anyone can do is guess

[Pats error]

17 minutes ago, TommyH said:

Ba falcon has been running then all of a sudden 3 of my keys won’t talk to the car.

diagnostic tool says pats error . 

what could be the issue ? Battery is fully charged . 
pumps don’t prime with ignition on but all dash lights work , and does not crank 

Sounds like PATS has kicked in. What have you changed since it was running? Have you flashed a different strategy, changed pcm, icc, bem?

What are the fault codes ie P1260? any other codes?

[Strategy for BF XR6 Manual]

7 hours ago, XR75 said:

Hi Bill

I am converting from a auto strategy to a manual one.

Depending on what pcm you're starting off with, you might be better off flashing a manual strategy onto your pcm. If you use the "Create Stock File/Calibration Merge" function, you'll be able to download a stock file HACCKBC (manual BF na) that doesn't have the VID details programmed & use it as a comparison file or to create a stock file to flash to your ecu.

I have got a file from a vehicle if needed but it hasn't been licenced so it won't load as a compare file.

[territory zf 3-4 shift]

2 hours ago, Roland@pcmtec said:

They are copied automatically when you launch the datalogger. If you delete the file it will copy back. We have a bunch of new ones we are working on for the 2.1 release.

In the mean time here is the 1.25 file.

Falcon_Default_125.tlo 313 B · 0 downloads

Thanks Roland, I've saved the file. Mine doesn't copy it back when the datalogger is launched 🤷‍♂️ even after an uninstall & reinstall. Not an issue though.

Looking forward to the 2.1 release.

[territory zf 3-4 shift]

3 hours ago, Roland@pcmtec said:

C:\Users\%USERNAME%\Documents\PCMTec\Logging Layouts

Hi Roland, Any chance you can pin the logging template here or add them to a Logging Layouts post? I'm not sure if I've modified & renamed the original. The only logging templates I have are ones I've created or modified.

[Getting Started for the DIYer]

14 minutes ago, jakka351 said:

I can see it on the config tab:

Being able to connect to the pcm & have it show the VIN & strategy in the correct format is a good start. It may not be locked. You'll just have to read it with PCMtec now to confirm.

If you find it's locked after reading & you can't access the file to view, it can be returned to stock

 

[Getting Started for the DIYer]

16 minutes ago, jakka351 said:

Am considering purchasing a license. Am I in the ballpark with the basic needs required for getting started

• Windows 10 Laptop 8g ram ssd hard drive
• Tactrix Interface
• Wideband o2 sensors

That's a good start. Some tuners recommend knock ears & some don't & it's something else to consider.

Here's a link to data logging & setting up your wide band

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I have a Boss 5.4 (302) with a pcm that was flashed by an SCT tuner by BlackMac Performance in WA, who have since shutdown, I think the PyCM is locked, is this an issue? I cannot see any config or as built data for it on Forscan, only have the option to reset adaptations.

Having limited or no access to a pcm that's been locked isn't unusual. SCT can cause some issues too from what I've seen. FORScan won't display as-built data for the pcm. Are you seeing the pcm in FORScan connection log or config tab?

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Also concerned about nuking my engine, common sense aside are there inbuilt warnings in the software that suggest a value is too high or low?

Any changes made to a tune, can result in engine damage which is why it's important to data log before you start & understand what's going on. You can then make small changes, data log & see what effect it had & make adjustments from there.

[Strategy for BF XR6 Manual]

2 hours ago, XR75 said:

Hi.

First time user, I have converted a 75 series to run a BF XR6 barra, I am chasing a file from anyone out there that may have a strategy for a manual BF XR6 falcon, I am currently working through the many changes in the strategy to have the cruiser drive well.

Are you working with a manual strategy now or are you converting an auto strategy to manual? If you've started with a manual strategy, you already have the stock values to compare as it will show current & stock values. You can verify it's stock, what's been changed or setup by Ford in the VID block before you start

[HOWTO: Enabling Tuner Lock and returning existing Tuner locked vehicles to stock.]

1 hour ago, hjtrbo said:

Was happy to live with the tuner lock if I could of had remote support, but been left high and dry. Not willing to drive across the state of Victoria to get an idle tune fault sorted out when I have a PCMtec workshop tuner only 15 mins away that I am loyal to. So to get the salty taste out of my mouth I'll get this thing going. Already have Link ECU unlocks already under my belt.

I completely understand the original workshop protecting their work. Even unlocking the tune for another PCMtec Workshop who hasn't done the hard yards, could potentially be giving away hundreds of hours & thousands of $$ in R&D.

Did you pay for the original tune & was remote support part of the deal or did you buy the car with the tune?

[HOWTO: Enabling Tuner Lock and returning existing Tuner locked vehicles to stock.]

18 minutes ago, hjtrbo said:

Just wanted to get clarification when the tune creator reads back their own tuner locked file.

If I was the tuner who tuner locked & flashed the PCM and for whatever reason I lost the original unlocked tuning file off my hard drive e.g. stolen and no back up, when I read the tune back from the PCM does the software recognise me as the tuner lock initiator and unlock the file for me?  

I haven't used the function but reading the information above & highlighted below, It appears you, the original tuner would be given the option to unlock, whereas if I were to read it, I would get "This file has been tuner locked by another user" as shown above.

PCMtec Editor records the licenced serial number & OSID of the pcm, it would recognise the pcm when reading & allow the original tuner access to unlock it

[HOWTO: PCM Replacement with Custom OS installed (Re-create Custom OS)]

11 hours ago, Barramad said:

I have a PCM on a BA xr6t which refuses to power the wastegate solenoid.

Having confirmed that the issue is the PCM and not happy with the meager 4psi now provided by the turbocharger, I have purchased a matching replacement ABU-244 unit.

My current faulty PCM is running a HAAN9N2 strategy, which is fully licensed.

You haven't mentioned if your PCM has a custom OS. This procedure is for replacement of a PCM with a custom OS. If you have a custom OS, you need to follow this guide & program PATS.

 

If your current PCM is a stock or tuned HAAN9N2 strategy, you need to follow

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Do I have to follow the the full procedure outlined in this post, or is there a simpler path that avoids PATS reprogramming and enables the PCM to run with the correct VIN? 

You won't avoid having to program PATS when you replace the PCM even if the VIN is correct. It's a simple process using FORScan & can be done with the Tatrix cable if that's what your using with PCMtec. It's just slow on BA's.

[6hp21 to 6hp26]

49 minutes ago, Whiteford said:

This can be done

I've just finished saying in PM that you'd be the person to speak to haha

[6hp21 to 6hp26]

8 hours ago, JM30 said:

Hey guys,

 

this is the tear tag from an fgx ute that I’ve checked on ford etis and shows 6hp26.

Have you got a photo of your Tear Tag for a direct comparison of strategies?

[6hp21 to 6hp26]

31 minutes ago, JM30 said:

im going to see if I can find someone with an fgx na ute who can provide me a tear tag if it helps you any further also.

If you can get a tear tag from one that's got the 6HP26, that would be good. I've got a mate wanting to swap his 21 to a 26 because it's failing again.

[6hp21 to 6hp26]

2 minutes ago, JM30 said:

Yeah that is the trouble, my tuner/mechanic also isn’t super confident either. I just don’t really want to spend money replacing/fixing this 6hp21 just for a few months until full conversion.

unfortunately I don’t have access to the ute but it was just from some further research I did looking into the fgx utes after speaking to Brett in qld. A vin I found on Google confirmed the commercial utes or atleast some got the 6hp26 while also being Na.

Thanks for that. Sometimes, the information on ETIS isn't 100% correct but I hope it is.

I'll have to have a look at FGX ute Tear Tags when I spot one.

[6hp21 to 6hp26]

1 hour ago, JM30 said:

Hi Roland,

Thanks for your fast reply,

what about the FGX utes that came out with a 6hp26 while being NA? I was speaking to someone in qld via Facebook who mentioned it should be doable merging the vid section on the tcm and ecu. I’m also half wondering if there were any police pack fgx na cars similar to fg na that got the lsd because perhaps they also got the 6hp26 and lsd as part of the heavy duty police package?

just trying to limit how many times I buy a gearbox as it will be getting a full turbo conversion later this year so if I can make a 6hp26 work now it saves me later.

 

Thanks

Would you mind posting the Tear Tags for both vehicles? It would be interesting to have a look at both files when time permits.