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28 minutes ago, westo said:
Hi Roland I’ve got a ba xr6 factory turbo and it has all the same vct tables as the f6 and I can flip that oil pressure switch, they look the same but could you clarify what’s different between them
The auF12646 "OIL PRES LO OPEN Switch" is a parameter that's set to 0 if you're using an F6 cluster or set to 1 for na & XR6 turbo. If you have the wrong setting, or simply swap the cluster for the wrong type, the oil light will stay on.
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Hi Matt, having a play with histograms this afternoon & didn't have a suitable log file created with 2.10 to use the trace function so I've opened a couple of 1.25 logs. I've found it appears to update the file & it increases in file size. After this happens, it's no longer able to be opened in 1.25. It also distorts some of the values eg temps. If a workshop were to need to review a previous log created in 1.25 to confirm/prove what was logged whilst tuning, their log would be lost or invalid due to values displayed.
Some examples where the temps are skewed when a 1.25 file is opened in 2.10. Changing units only makes the extreme temps even more extreme.
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Thanks for updating us all. The info you’ve provided is very thorough & will no doubt save a few headaches for others 👍🏼
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Whilst the log shows that in between the shift inhibit & change to third the torque source changes to transmission shift, it shows the gear commanded is never second gear.
Have you logged while sports shift is selected to see if the "shift inhibit" shows in the same place? Does it show second gear as commanded with manual upshift?
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20 minutes ago, BeerTurbo said:
limp mode was locked 3rd/or 4th its hard to tell with the 3.9 rear gear the car just moves even in the high gears... but it was locked to one of the higher gears.
log shows 1-3 shift but it does hit 2 its just not logging fast enough.
Yeah, I can see where the logged "torque source" changes from "driver demand" to "transmission shift" just after you back off in first & before the change to third.
I assume you have adjusted all the locations for axle ratio in the pcm tune to 3.9. There's another hidden in the ZF tune to try as well "ZF03985 Ratio of differential"
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On 8/28/2021 at 9:27 AM, BeerTurbo said:
i ran the conversion without a canbarra and it would drive in limp mode, with the canbarra its not in limp mode - but has allways held 1st.
I can zeros out 1st in the shift map and it will takeoff in second and shift like normally into other gears.
When it was in limp mode, (without the CANBarra module), would it upshift to second at low RPM or shift straight from first to third?
Trans temps are only 43-44 degrees. Have you had it up to full operating temp to see if it's not being inhibited due to operating temp?
Also looking at another of your posts, you have changed speed/pulse out settings. Could this be causing your shift inhibit & changing from first to third?
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Has it always had the problem in the conversion? Have you tried returning the ZF to stock to see if it has the issue?
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16 minutes ago, BeerTurbo said:
hi bill,
im chasing an issue where my zf holds 1st gear...so i played with the E trans setting, turning it off... ive driven the car a couple of times since and noticed no change.
what changes were you hoping for?
Hi BeerTurbo, I've been looking at the differences between BF na & turbo strategies to see if I can find what triggers the mismatch with the na ABS module when a turbo PCM is used eg Fairmont with na ABS/TCS/DSC module & turbo pcm.
I was able to help find a solution when a T56 was used in a Fairmont with turbo pcm but testing on a ZF6 vehicle stalled. I'm hoping to find a na vehicle locally to fit a spare turbo pcm I have & continue testing or even get a na ABS module & bench test with a turbo pcm & ZF6.
The E trans setting was one of the difference's I'd spotted that we didn't get to try before a turbo ABS module was installed.
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26 minutes ago, westo said:
I’ve recently done a conversion on my ba xr6 turbo to a 5 speed manual. Using auto wiring harness and bridged the gearbox wires, wires in the clutch switch and changed the parameters needed to drive it without going into limp mode, had moderate throttle hang when changing gears so I changed the idle air tables like it said in another post and also changed the dashpot over, I used the f6 ba turbo tune to compare, throttle hang is a lot worse now and it seems I have a dead spot in the throttle just as soon as I touch it, when I fully let off the throttle to change gears it spikes in revs but if I keep my foot on the throttle in this dead spot the revs drop as they should, I’ve data logged the throttle position and it’s showing no input when I let off the throttle but car still revs, I’ve also compared the idle and dashpot to a ba NA manual tune and still no luck. Car still drives fine otherwise so any help appreciated
I'm assuming your car is a factory turbo with the ABU-244 pcm.
The F6 tune isn't the best tune to do a compare & copy due to it using BF sized tables & "Fully independent VCT" which aren't available in a stock BA turbo strategy. A manual BA XR6T strategy would be a better starting point for comparison. If you want to take advantage of the "Fully independent VCT" & BF sized tables, You'd be better off flashing the F6 strategy in.
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1 hour ago, Bruce said:
Gearbox is slipping
Hi Bruce, you will need to provide a lot more detail if you want help.
Do you have a BTR or ZF6? BA, BF, FG, na or turbo?
Describe when is slips & how bad the slipping is.....does it slip on up-shift, under load, under boost, for a split second, is it a slip or a full on neutral for a second & bangs into gear etc.
Include what you've done as part of your own diagnosis.
Firstly, you should
- check fluid level & condition?
- check fault codes? What are they?
- data log the fault?
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10 minutes ago, BDAZLA said:
Does PCMTec workshop allow you to install a new ZF in to an FG and calibrate the ZF mechatronics to work in the new car as such?
Yes, if you put ZF TCM into search, it'll give you.
16 minutes ago, BDAZLA said:Or is marrying the ZF to a car something Ford IDS or some other program that has to be used to complete the task?
AFAIK, it can't be done with IDS
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On 8/8/2021 at 5:34 PM, BennoG6ET said:
Finally, if the donor vehicle was no longer in a state that allowed for the download of the ABS and TCM module config files (and possibly key/barrel related files, if required)
You can't download key/barrel related files. A parameter reset should work as per Roland's comment above.
On 8/8/2021 at 5:34 PM, BennoG6ET said:can one use the tear tag info on the PCM and the info on the placard in the drivers door jam to source these files easily enough? and has anyone tried removing these stickers and reusing with any success??
These stickers shouldn't be removed from the original vehicle that it was affixed to. If you're caught with the sticker off another vehicle, expect to be suspected of re-birthing vehicles & the police to knock down your door. Take a photo if you need the details for programming purposes.
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3 hours ago, BennoG6ET said:
- the best way to connect to the car after downloading Forscan (I don't expect you to be an expert on it, just thought you may have some experience or know how😅👍), - as well as sourcing the files for the ABS and TCM should the donor vehicle no longer be in a state where this is possible to do so.
If you plan on having a go at doing any programming using FORScan on a FG, I'd recommend the OBDLink Ex cable. It's proven to be a good cable capable of auto switching between CANbus networks as required. Make sure you buy a genuine one, not a clone & update the drivers when you get it. Avoid any cable with a manual switch.
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On 8/3/2021 at 8:32 PM, BeerTurbo said:
do you want me to test something that might help?
Thanks for the offer. I'll have to get back to you when I've had some time to go back over the files. It's been a bit chaotic here the last week or so.
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1 hour ago, Shakeranyday said:
If I have a Bf turbo pcm , ZF6 turbo box, zf shifter, BF turbo ABS and wheel sensors grafted onto another car
If I turn off pats, will these modules still talk together on the can network so I can utilise ABS module to pickup road speed and get the trans to operate properly.
or do I have to keep bem, cluster, keys and code the pats so the abs and tcu will talk to pcm.
thanks for your time
I've seen what your proposing used & whilst it was successful, there were a lot of problems encountered. Unless you really want to have ABS, you're probably better off using a CANBarra module. It can be used for other CAN related signals
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12 minutes ago, Roland@pcmtec said:
I'll share everything I can figure out on my own as it means less support for us and better results for the workshops customers. The issue is getting someone to give me access to their car via teamviewer.
If people can set everything up with teamviewer and have given it a decent go themselves I'll give just about anything a crack.
@Roland@pcmtecI thought from your previous post it was all Stathi's work.....when you or the team can better the product through support, even better again 👍
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4 hours ago, Roland@pcmtec said:
Thanks to Stathi at IMS for his time and perseverance we have a procedure for doing a reverse ghost cam.
Well done Stathi. It's one thing to spend time working this out for IMS customers, but to allow you to share it @Roland@pcmtec is pretty awesome!!
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On 7/22/2021 at 10:19 PM, Faraz said:
Hi all,
The previous owner has edit the boost by gear ability on my car (FGX G6et). I have done a read and I'm struggling to figure out how to revert this, I have upgraded the differential and have put some better tyres on so I believe I should be able to run more boost in the lower gears. Can anybody help me with this? Maybe I need to upgrade to the custom OS?Here's a link to the Return To Stock feature that @abs351 mentioned that's available in the professional & workshop versions
Another useful link.....HOW TO: Comparing files & using parameter files This may help you to compare, understand & revert some or all values if you don't want to go back to stock with everything.
Just make sure you have a save of your original file to revert back to & save a copy of it with a different name eg FGX Original & FGX edit 1, FGX edit 2 so you can revert back to what's working if needed.
If you're unsure of what you're doing, take your time & only make minimal changes & test. Save the file at each edit/flash so you can revert back to the last save that was working & resume from there
If you use the search function & put in key words eg boost by gear, you'll get filtered results where you might find more answers
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2 hours ago, Roland@pcmtec said:
Try turning all the features off and see if you lose sport mode or kickdown etc. That might give you some ideas. We never really went very far into the BTR assembly code so we haven't got much we can add here. I find the best way to figure a lot of these things out is good old trial and error with putting stupid numbers in and seeing what happens (make sure its a safe environment).
Here's a comparison between BF NA, Turbo & XR8. For each variant, every strategy checked shows the same values as below.
- The only thing in common is Feature "B".
- The XR8 has all except Feature "E" enabled.
- The XR8 also has a value for Pedal Range for Scaling where the others have no value.
- The BF XR8 uses the same ABS module as the BF turbo & neither have Feature "E" enabled.
It's an interesting comparison which probably raises more questions than it answers. As far as testing goes, there's some things that I might switch & test while stationary & others will be left until I can find a dedicated test car.
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1 hour ago, Whiteford said:
Found this in the workshop manual, not 100% sure its related though.
Thanks Jack, I'll have a closer look at the manual too. It does look like it might be related. Some strategies have very few features enabled while some have a lot.
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4 hours ago, Roland@pcmtec said:
Yep, if can't get teamviewer access to the car then it usually becomes too hard.
Good work comparing all the files, if there are some other scalars you want to know about let me know.
Thanks Roland. I'll let you know if there's any more questions
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8 hours ago, Roland@pcmtec said:
Why do you want to know? Have you tried turning them on and off?
I've been asked and/or offered to help with a couple of BF na to turbo conversions that have resulted in ABS mismatches after the owners used a turbo pcm & didn't want to swap ABS modules. I was able to find a solution for a BF na Fairmont converted to turbo using a BF Turbo pcm, T56 & original na ABS/DSC module but the same settings don't work with the ZF6. We've tried changing a few other things that are different that we thought might work & I'm comparing BF na & turbo strategies, noting down differences that make some sense when looked at ie engine config, others that I consider to be possibilities & ones like the trans features we know nothing about.
auF1641 is one setting that hasn't been tried yet but is set to 1 in every BF na ZF6 strategy I've looked at but is 0 in every BF ZF6 turbo strategy I've looked at. Possibly unrelated but it's just one of the differences & possibilities. I'm going to go back & look at the final T56 strategy again too in case there was something changed there that I have forgotten or missed.
If I had a suitable car locally, I could try all the combinations till I could find a solution that works, if there is one. It gets a little more difficult when someone sends you their file or you give them options to try. You would know, it's hard to don't know if your instructions have been followed in every instance.
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1 minute ago, Roland@pcmtec said:
If you ever find out I'm curious as well.
Hopefully someone has some info for both of us. I've noticed that the scalars appear in BA & BF strategies but the couple of FG strategies I just looked at, there's no reference to them 🤷♂️
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Does anyone know what Trans (Australian Specific) Features "A" to "E" are?
auF1052 Enables Feature "A" in transmission strategy
auF1137 Enables Feature "B" in transmission strategy
auF1065 Enables Feature "C" in transmission strategy
auF2115 Enables Feature "D" in transmission strategy
auF1641 Enables Feature "E" in transmission strategy.......this is the main one I'm looking for info on at the minute but it would be great to have info on all
HOWTO: Full independent VCT cam control in BA 6 cyl
in Falcon HOWTO Guides
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It doesn't affect the VCT settings AFAIK.
BF na & XR6T have independent VCT & use the same auF12646 settings as BA na & XR6T. BF F6 uses the same setting as BA F6.