[Brakes come on under Load]

1 hour ago, BeerTurbo said:

its been a hot miniute, but if you fire up forscan and select the abs module for data log you can real time view all the abs sensors.

if you driving straight i would suspect they should all be dead close, maybe look there.

I believe this one's been sorted. The brakes weren't coming on. It had other issues

[i think i need help maybe]

1 minute ago, BeerTurbo said:

 

I have bought a ft turbo zf auto, mated to a fg na+t motor for my patrol. I havent even got around to getting wiring or a pcm sorted. do you think ill need a APS 234 or will a 231 work?

APS-234 is the best option so you have factory boost control.
If you're using the APS-231 & turbo ZF6, starting with a turbo pcm/tcm strategy & setting it up with external boost control would be the less desirable method but an option that should also work

[i think i need help maybe]

6 hours ago, hjtrbo said:

I checked out his page. Damn, they do some bloody nice work. I liked that they are working with the CanBarra crew to integrate the multi-tune into the Landcruisers. 

Can't argue with the price for the standalone ECU service.

FG turbo or NA ecu modification.... - Custom Machine Works | Facebook

Can't argue with you there, he's a guru when it comes to these Barra swaps

[i think i need help maybe]

18 hours ago, murphsdiesel said:

now i have just downloaded the pcm and tcm file on pcmtec today and have noticed the strategy is HAEE3A4 / A0AE which from my research is a non turbo fg euro4 sedan, so possibly has it been changed to a na+t parameters? 

Based on the strategy / teartag you've provided, I'd guess it's a na APS-231 pcm so won't control boost. Unfortunately, I regularly see na+t pcm's advertised as turbo pcms & usually make a comment & suggest the add be edited so as not to deceive buyers.

If you want to have FG factory boost control, which in my opinion is the best option, you'll need to source an APS-234 pcm.
Others have mentioned Brett at Custom Machine Works. If you're lucky, he may have a FG turbo pcm he can provide & advise what the matching tcm strategy is so you can reprogram the na tcm to match.
 

18 hours ago, murphsdiesel said:

now my next question is because i dont have a tear tag or code for the original engine zf configuration how do i program the tcm to suit the na+t or if it is not actually a xr6 turbo factory but is off an fg na it may drive? 

There's no listing against HAEE3A4 / A0AE for the TCM strategy but ZF03987 and auF1692 match. You might be lucky enough for it to drive without having a TCM mismatch but there's still more work to be done for it to run as a na+t. Again, another reason to source an APS-234 pcm & sell it as a na pcm

[32KC TearTag]

1 hour ago, hjtrbo said:

It's not one of these ones is it? Pouring cold water on it is the fix  

Number one BA Falcon diagnostic tool 🤣

[32KC TearTag]

3 hours ago, yoda598 said:

The car will start fine, let's say twice (hot or cold). Then will not start again until cools down. Rough idle ect ect. 

It sounds a lot like a faulty pcm

[32KC TearTag]

14 hours ago, yoda598 said:

Hey guys, does anyone have the strategy (03 march boss 260 manual) matching the above teartag? i have a customer car here and the PCM seems to be failing and im unable to read it. 

Try recovery mode. It's not uncommon for the BA pcm to have no VIN or VID block issues that prevent some scan/programming tools from connecting or reading. I've had a pcm that was sent to me because it wasn't able to be read by the tuner. The VIN was an incorrect format & also had a mismatched strategy & OSID. It was readable using recovery mode.

What issues are you having apart from not being able to read that make you think it's failing?

I've found that you can use an ABU-221 or ABU-251 pcm as a replacement on the BA V8's. I've previously replaced 32KC with 32KG & from my understanding, it's an update to 32KC. Filtering BA 4V, manual, & excluding GT variants, there are 4 options. They all share the same OSID HABNC. If you compare the strategies, there's not much difference between them.

[ZF Transmission swaps]

14 minutes ago, Milanski said:

PROBLEM RESOLVED

Great to here it's resolved. Thanks for updating the post with what you've found 👍

[ZF Transmission swaps]

2 minutes ago, Milanski said:

Extra information: when I put the new gearbox in and plugged it in, on Reds I could see P,R,N,L,D displaying correctly, this is when I decided to fill it with Oil as the instrument cluster and PCMTEC upload was all working.  Afetr starting the car the PRNDL IC started flashing, but it wasnt in limp mode.  I'm also now seeing with FORD IDS reverse circuit open.  Will check that out, as the wiring diagram shows both side of the reverse relay coil being controlled by the TCM.  

The reverse circuit is as you've suggested, controlled by the TCM. I've seen people run into issues on conversions where it has caused issues but only on some TCM strategies.

Is the reverse circuit open due to an "incorrect strategy/SW version/Initialisation type nested circuit" or has it open circuit due to adding fluid. See some of the things I highlighted in the previous post. Changing the TCM strategy to MC should soon provide an answer fairly quickly.

[ZF Transmission swaps]

1 hour ago, Milanski said:

No Luck, still the same.

Here's a few differences between 5R29-7J105-MC & MD. Not sure what they relate to exactly but may be why you're having problems.

[ZF Transmission swaps]

1 hour ago, Milanski said:

No Luck, still the same.

I have flashed in my OEM TCM File (albeit the serial number could not be loaded and pcmtec merged me a new file).

The TCM in the new gearbox was 5R29-7J105-LD.  The original TCM 5R29-7J105-MD has now bee loaded.  

Instrument Cluster is not displaying shifter position on reds.   When Engine ON and Running blinking "P"  

HADCHN4 TCM_serial_merged_from_6FPAAAJGSW7K64313.tec 1.35 MB · 1 download

Ive move the linkage position at the lever to no avail.  Posting my tune file in full to see if anyone has any ideas?

 

Looking at the Oak Strategies list, the correct TCM calibration is 5R29-7J105-MC
Try this calibration & see what happens. I didn't see anything in the tune file that would cause the issue.

[ZF Transmission swaps]

7 hours ago, Milanski said:

The dash is flashing p,r,n,d,1,2,3,4,5 when in any of the gears.  I am NOT in limp mode.  The gearbox is changing gears ok, up and down. In performance mode perfect.  Only the dash is flashing the gear selected.  Dtc is throwing up B2681 (ic) PRNDL sender failure.  Car wont start in R and D so it knows the lever and gearbox is in good position.  

Now whats led to this a new gearbox with valve body.  BF2 to BF2.  The tcm ive put in 2 months newer than the original strategy 5r29-7j105-LD.  The new tcm is 5r29-7j105-MD.  I have mateched the numbers in AUF1692 and ZF03987.

As mentioned. Car runs, like there is no problem at all.  But can seem to stop the dash flashing. 

Normally on reds, i should see which gear i am in, but cant see it, only when the car is running, very strange. 

Any ideas?  

I'd set auF1692 back to stock & flash the new TCM with the original strategy 5R29-7J105-LD, as per factory setup. As long as there's no wiring issues or problems with the replacement TCM, it should work as normal & rule out any possibility of mismatched modules. I'm also assuming the PRND issue has only occurred after the gearbox swap.

If you don't have a read of the original TCM, use the create stock file/calibration merge function to create the new TCM file.

[Copy tune]

7 hours ago, JKD69 said:

Thanks for the reply. I’m very new to this. Would licensing both be an easier option or will I still run into the dramas?

As @hjtrbo has said above, you'd need to read the tuned PCM first to see what you can do with it. To do that, you'll need an active PCMTEC account & genuine Tatrix cable or other suitable cable.

If the PCM is PCMTEC tuner locked, you won't be able to use the file.

[Copy tune]

9 hours ago, JKD69 said:

Gday, I have a ba na ecu with a cracking tune, I would like to copy the tune to my factory ba na ecu- will I need to license both ecus?

It is possible to just licence one PCM but there's a bit of reading you'll need to do beforehand, so you know how to & are aware of the problems that you may encounter.

It may not be a straight forward read, flash & away you go, your vehicle may have different factory build options or modifications, requiring changes to the tune file to eliminate limp mode or other problems caused by copying an incompatible strategy or VID block.

There are also instances where a tuner lock will let you read & save a file from PCM 1 but not edit or write to it to PCM 2.

[HOWTO: Find compatible strategies and how to change strategy successfully.]

2 minutes ago, Roland@pcmtec said:

We actually have exported all stock values of all tables/scalars to a database so we could technically add anything. We have just been resource constrained recently with trying to improve performance and stability. I've wanted to update that list for almost 2 years now! 

Whenever time permits mate. Performance & stability trumps this sort of thing

[HOWTO: Find compatible strategies and how to change strategy successfully.]

34 minutes ago, hjtrbo said:

@Bill a friendly FYI, average load spark filtered to 9.something will give you all the F6 strategies. 

@hjtrbo if I remember correctly, that was correct for FG only.
I'd looked at that a while ago & if filters were applied to "Forced" "YES" & "Average load spark filtered" " 9.7?", it would only show "PCM Type" "APS-234", so only FG F6.
It excluded ALL BA & BF turbo strategies.

BA F6 is simple because they're all HAAT.

BF F6 requires a bit more effort as I'd found that there were XR6T & F6 that were both 5.8? It may have even applied to all BF turbo including F6.
I started looking at the BF XR6T when I had one with ABS mismatch & oil light issues. It had a PCM replacement that was HACCKC6 F6 instead of HACCHB5 XR6T. I was comparing the files before deciding if I'd revert to stock or change the oil light parameter & reprogram the ABS & saw they shared the same "Average load spark filtered".

[HOWTO: Find compatible strategies and how to change strategy successfully.]

21 hours ago, Roland@pcmtec said:

if there is a demand for it we can look at getting it into the editor for you. Here is an example of VSS_Source for all HACCK strategies.

@Roland@pcmtec if you decide to update the calibration list in the editor, could you include columns for
"auF12646 OIL PRES LO OPEN Switch" to filter F6 strategies from XR6T
"auF10999 Manual reverse lock out hardware (solenoid) present" to filter between 5 & 6 Speed manual strategies
 

[No speedo after pcm swap]

14 minutes ago, Stevenbruzz said:

It wasnt from a ute tho. I didnt mention ute. Its a sedan id only said i had the issue with an auto to auto  the o.s's were diffrent both ba ecu's

The ute is just an example to show you that what you're looking at won't help you. It clearly displays the speed source as ABS which is impossible because it doesn't have ABS. The same applies regardless of whether it's a ute, sedan or wagon, non ABS, ABS or ABS/TCS. The value you can see for speed source is being ignored. 

The true speed source being used, can't be seen using HP.

[No speedo after pcm swap]

7 hours ago, Stevenbruzz said:

Thats how the file looks in the manual car

I know how it'll look hence the image & explanation that even though it's from a non-abs ute, it shows ABS in the only area you can see & that you won't see the actual speed source that's being used with HP. HP doesn't have it available in the strategy.

You can change the ABS value you can see with HP a thousand times & it will make no difference.

[No speedo after pcm swap]

3 hours ago, Stevenbruzz said:

The manual customer has been told i need to work out there issue first before buying the credits. I only have pro version so unable to read there file in pcmtec without unlocking it first with the 2 credits hence why i used hp to read it and it was a mail order tune with PATS disasbled ( should of mentioned that) but it has a manual OS on it i forgot the calibration code atm. But the VSS input is set to ABS currently

This is from a NON ABS ute but shows VSS source as ABS. This is where your comparing files in HP is going wrong.
You won't see the actual speed source currently being used when you look at the strategy using HP. It's not defined or displayed.

If you don't know the workaround, you're wasting your time using HP. The info is out there but it's not really something that belongs in this forum.

[No speedo after pcm swap]

51 minutes ago, Stevenbruzz said:

Had this issue twice now with 2 diffrent cars. 1 auto 1 manual

The auto had a faulty ecu so i'd replaced it and it had no speedo after replacement ecu with P0500 

So with the manual car its had a new ecu as original has been lost it also has p0500 read it in hp tuners just to look at it and compared to another manual it all looked fine. So without any abs errors does anyone know other causes for p0500

I'd say an incorrect speed input which you won't see with HP & will require you to do a workaround to correct it or, you'll have to fix it with PCMTEC.

The bonus of doing it with PCMTEC is you'd be able to do a compare, see what the original speed source was set at & simply change the source so it's correct.

 

49 minutes ago, Stevenbruzz said:

I did use hp tuners on this car as they requested i use it. But it only worked after a 2nd ecu and i wrote a diffrent O.S onto it.

If you're doing the work, you should be stipulating what software you're going to use so you get the best/desired results. If you don't/can't, it could very well be expected that you can't charge for the cost of HP credits because you haven't delivered the goods.

[micro-controller using CAN bus data for ancillary control]

I've got a dead BF turbo PCM in the shed that come with a ute I bought. It had been opened up by the previous owner in a rough way after it wouldn't power up. If the board is of use to anyone to compare against a stock NA BF ZF6/6sp manual PCM to develop an add on boost controller for NA PCM's or see what's required to modify a na PCM, I'm happy to post it to them.

[ZF Transmission swaps]

11 hours ago, Jake said:

I was afraid that might be the case, they have already assembled everything and dropped it off. I’ll have to have a chat and see what they want to do. 
thanks again for the help. 

If you're going to use the NA PCM with the original strategy & external boost control, use the matching NA TCM strategy if you want to avoid ABS & cluster issues & then tune. It'll take more time than using factory turbo hardware & strategies but that's the cost of going NA to turbo this way. You'll need to pass on the cost.

[Raceworks INJ-501 injector data]

@hjtrbohey mate, I can't get the startup or final tune injector data as hoped. The car & laptop went under flood water

[Barra/Patrol Idle dropping low and stalling]

3 hours ago, XR85 said:

Thanks Bill

Tried the items and more from beer turbo with no change! Any ideas?

I assume you've checked that you don't have any mechanical issues, throttle body is clean & isn't restricted in any way and you don't have any fault codes. 
Does it have the problem when hot, cold or both? 

I haven't done the conversion but have seen several people complain about an idle issue & they fixed it by drilling a hole in the throttle body to increase the idle airflow. Have you searched "idle airflow"? There's differences in these tables that may help if you haven't already tried them.
Comparing auF0030 & auF0032 in a BF turbo file vs FG turbo, 
auF0030 Aircharge in lb/min at idle speed P/N
FG is 0.36@700rpm & BF is 0.65
FG is 0.4@800rpm & BF is 0.74
FG is 0.52@900rpm & BF is 0.88
This is just a sample from the auF0030 & you'll see similar differences when you start looking at auF0032 Aircharge in lb/min at idle speed in gear. 
I haven't looked at the adders but there may be differences there too.

Let us know how you go.