niceracing Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Can pcmtec run the new tubosmart electronic wastegates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland@pcmtec Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 3 hours ago, niceracing said: Can pcmtec run the new tubosmart electronic wastegates? They require an external controller which is fairly complex, the external controllers likely need current boost pressure, desired boost and many other signals to be tuned successfully. I don't think they would accept a straight PWM input which is all the factory computer outputs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puffwagon Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 https://www.turbosmart.com/news/blackbox/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland@pcmtec Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 39 minutes ago, Puffwagon said: https://www.turbosmart.com/news/blackbox/ That is good news! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dat111 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 wonder if it will work with an internal!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland@pcmtec Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 1 hour ago, dat111 said: wonder if it will work with an internal!! I don't think the system gain of an internal gate is similar enough to an external for it to work. I'm not sure how configurable the black box is, maybe if it lets you tune all the PID gains it would work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puffwagon Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Guys it is an electronic wastegate controller, not a boost controller. The black box still needs a programmable electronic boost controller to control it, so it can in turn drive the electronic wastegate. It supports a PWM input so can be used with a Falcon, however the boost control will still need to be set up to run the driver properly. Due to the linear and nearly instant response of an electronic wastegate, the boost control strategy in the pcm will look very different than normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceracing Posted January 11, 2023 Author Share Posted January 11, 2023 Would you start with open loop and slowly add to the duty or would you need to start somewhere as there's no spring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puffwagon Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 On 10/31/2022 at 1:05 PM, Roland@pcmtec said: If you set auF16504 and auF0298 it will lock the desired boost and wastegate duty cycle at the values entered under all circumstances. Great for testing a wastegate. Make sure you don't leave it enabled! Do this with the wastegate not fitted to the car so you can see what it's going to do. You could trial it on the car if you preferred, however you need to know that the gate is going to do what you're expecting. The black box is programmable so you would want to set it up to work with the pcm ouput before any on car tuning. While slowly adding to the duty sounds like a good idea, until we have data that shows otherwise, that approach only holds true for traditional boost referenced wastegates. You can't assume that the same approach will work straight out of the box with an egate and black box controller. Once you know the egate is being predictable then you would start with the boost tuning as per the write-ups in the how to section, with obvious changes to account for the egate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceracing Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 So power and earth for the single core wire to run the solenoid and use black and blue for the multi wire side to control boost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puffwagon Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 No, there's no solenoids involved, the black wire is a sensor ground for the egate sensors and the blue wire is for pwm control from a egate controller/driver. I recommend reading the manuals and data sheets for the black box and egate, so you can properly understand what the parts are and how they work. https://www.turbosmart.com/product/blackbox-electronic-wastegate-controller/ https://www.turbosmart.com/product/gen-v-wg50-progate50-electronic-black/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland@pcmtec Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Make sure you do not turn off over boost or tmap protection as well. This will save your engine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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