FG Throttle Body on a BA/BF

[mondc95ba]

Before I go searching through I/O Diagrams for the FG/BF/BA Throttle Body and Part information has anyone converted a FG Throttle Body to work on a BA/BF ECU/PCM?

If so, can you post up a how-to and what is required additionally software side to calibrate for voltage ranges (if they change), stepper motor PWN changes, etc.

[Roland@pcmtec]

I've been told you can simply swap them. Though I've never done the swap and have never compared the two, so the information I was given might be wrong.

[BeerTurbo]

I bought a wiring adapter, and was going to install one one mine.... but never got around to it. so this is proberly not helpful

[mondc95ba]

Made my own harness for next to nothing and can confirm it works.

Now to make the adapter plate with countersunk screws to have it reach the same thickness as a BA\BF throttle body anyway.🤦‍♂️

[Lucky]

Yes can confirm the adaptor cable you can buy will work I'm running the FG Plenum and FG throttle body on a SY2 Territory adaptor cable plugs straight in and works no issues at all

[Lucky]

https://theknockbox.com.au/looms/ford/

BA/BF TO FG 6 Cyl THROTTLE CONVERSION

LOOM-FD-010-LY03

[BeerTurbo]

On 6/12/2020 at 9:20 AM, Lucky said:

https://theknockbox.com.au/looms/ford/

BA/BF TO FG 6 Cyl THROTTLE CONVERSION

LOOM-FD-010-LY03

 

did you change any settings? I'm about to put a fg throttle one mine and comparing things that seem vastly different are :

AUF0077 - Convert pedal position to des ETC angle

AUF0083 Desired throttle angle as per pedal position

AUF0084 b as above

 

couple of smaller things like throttle count wide open etc are marginally different

 

 

[mondc95ba]

16 hours ago, BeerTurbo said:

 

did you change any settings? I'm about to put a fg throttle one mine and comparing things that seem vastly different are :

AUF0077 - Convert pedal position to des ETC angle

AUF0083 Desired throttle angle as per pedal position

AUF0084 b as above

 

couple of smaller things like throttle count wide open etc are marginally different

 

 

No changes here mate, plug and play really.
I haven't looked at these settings myself, but if the table axis are the same i'd assume you'd just have to copy the FG tables to the BA if you want the "feel" of an FG throttle.

Stepper motors are controlled very similarly, just the nature of how snappy and responsive they feel is different between models.

Happy to be corrected if I am wrong on this.

[BeerTurbo]

for notice,

I have a fg TB and FG intake on a bf motor.. I noticed if I let it idle it would start hunting (rev up and down) but i knew the alt was not charging so figured it might be related.

Last night was i able to get it to have some temp, iv started it numerous times cold no problem. Warm starts it would stall instantly. I noticed it was opening TB for start, then basically closing it.. commanding less than 1 percent blade angle. When holding the throttle down you could make it idle and the blade would be somewhere in the high 2, sometimes 3 degree mark.

AUF0082 - open loop feed forward throttle angle predictions. This table is vastly different BF/FG and with the FG setting the car started and idled spot on.

Ive just now noticed AUF1249 pressure drop table might also be worth having FG settings from.

 

so far most of the petal/throttle angle settings altho they look different, or are setup differently have verry close to same reactions. so just changing a b-series tb for a fg one may infact just work. perhaps the airmas tables change due to the intake manifold change. 

[Shaun2000]

Is there any noticeable differnce? 

[Puffwagon]

On 2/16/2021 at 12:21 PM, BeerTurbo said:

I have a fg TB and FG intake on a bf motor

 

Quoted for visibility. Was it worth swapping?

[BeerTurbo]

16 minutes ago, Puffwagon said:

 

Quoted for visibility. Was it worth swapping?

I do the swap for the better placement of throttle body. I hate the engine crossover.

I cant speak for power upgrades as i dont have a dyno.

I figure both tb are same size so no need to change, but fg is more slimline so it might suit more people applications.

In my head i figgure the plastic intake is cooler and less prone to engine bay heat soak to.

[Puffwagon]

That's on a turbo car then? I have a plastic intake etc that I could chuck on my na territory but I don't know if I wanna do a whole bunch of swapping for stuff all. I suppose the plastic one might have lower iats than the metal one tho.

 

Edit: Ford wouldn't have changed it for no reason lol

Edited October 30, 2023 by Puffwagon

[BeerTurbo]

1 hour ago, Puffwagon said:

 

Edit: Ford wouldn't have changed it for no reason lol

Agreed.

 

Was on r31 wen was na, then turbo. So both 

But ive used em on my ba na shitcar n a mates barra au ute.

 

Just tell yourself its lower iat and 10 hp. 

[Roland@pcmtec]

On 10/31/2023 at 9:45 AM, Puffwagon said:

Edit: Ford wouldn't have changed it for no reason lol

I believe it was just cost saving. The air moves so fast I don't believe there is any real IAT differences that affect it at stock power levels.

[Puffwagon]

I was looking at the various na power levels between 2006 and 2009 cars and they are 182kw, 190kw and 195kw.

I haven't looked at all the tunes yet and obviously this where you'd start to look for more power.